Units of trigonometric functions?

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The discussion revolves around the units of trigonometric functions such as sine and cosine, particularly in the context of their outputs when applied to angles. Participants explore whether these functions have units or are dimensionless, and they examine the implications of viewing trigonometric functions as ratios or percentages.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the existence of units for trigonometric functions, suggesting that outputs like Sin(0.5) may not have any units.
  • Others argue that sine and cosine can be viewed as ratios of side lengths in a right-angled triangle, implying they are dimensionless.
  • A participant references series expansions of sine to support the argument that for dimensional homogeneity, the input must be dimensionless.
  • Some participants propose that sines and cosines can be interpreted as percentages or ratios, while others caution that this analogy may be misleading, particularly for tangent.
  • There is a discussion about the range of values for tangent, with one participant noting that it can take any real number, which complicates the percentage analogy.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while sine and cosine can be associated with percentages, the concept of negative percentages introduces confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether trigonometric functions have units or are dimensionless. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of comparing these functions to percentages, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of such analogies.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on interpretations of dimensional homogeneity and the definitions of ratios and percentages, which may not be universally agreed upon.

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If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?
What are the units of the trigonometric functions sinus, cosinus etc? If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?
 
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John Greger said:
Summary:: If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?

What are the units of the trigonometric functions sinus, cosinus etc? If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?
Why do you think they have any units?
 
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If I have a right angled triangle, what is ##\sin## of one angle in terms of the side lengths? What are the units of that expression?
 
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In addition to @Ibix's argument, the other common argument comes from looking at the series expansions, e.g. for ##\sin{x}##,$$\sin{x} = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} u_n = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (-1)^n \frac{x^{2n+1}}{(2n+1)!}$$Take any two terms ##u_a## and ##u_b## where ##a \neq b##, then for dimensional homogeneity you require that ##[x]^{2a+1} = [x]^{2b+1}## but this is only satisfied when ##[x] = 1##.
 
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John Greger said:
Summary:: If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?

What are the units of the trigonometric functions sinus, cosinus etc? If I take say Sin(0.5), what would the units of the output be?
You could consider sines and cosines as percentages or ratios.
It is a comparison between the legths of one side and the hypotenuse.
Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage

"A percentage is a dimensionless number (pure number); it has no unit of measurement."
 
Lnewqban said:
You could consider sines and cosines as percentages or ratios.
It is a comparison between the legths of one side and the hypotenuse.
Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentage

"A percentage is a dimensionless number (pure number); it has no unit of measurement."
Comparing trigonometric functions to percentage might be quite misleading, imho. And not applicable to tangent.
 
lomidrevo said:
not applicable to tangent.

Yes, it is: the tangent is the ratio of the lengths of the two legs (opposite to adjacent).
 
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No issue with ratios, in my post I was referring to percentage only. Let me explain more particularly what I meant ..

Tangent returns any value from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, its codomain is any real number. Although you can define a mapping between real numbers and the typical interval of percentage from 0.0% to 100.0%, I don't see any added value by doing so. I admit, "not applicable" is not the best word I could have used.
For sine and cosine, the analogy with percentage makes little bit more sense, as their return real numbers between -1.0 and 1.0, but I would need to use negative percentage, ie. interval -100.0% to 100.0%.

I realize that theoretically the percentage can take any real number, but typically one think of it as a number between 0% and 100%. That is why I said it might be misleading. Personally I found this kind of analogies more confusing than clarifying.
 
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