Unraveling the Twin Paradox: Three Inertia Frames in a Race Against Time

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The discussion revolves around the Twin Paradox, specifically exploring a scenario involving three inertial frames and the implications of acceleration on the aging of twins. Participants examine the conditions under which the twins accelerate away from each other and the resulting time experienced by each twin, as well as the relevance of the three frames in the context of the paradox.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving three frames of reference, detailing the accelerations and time experienced by each twin, suggesting they both end up with six years on their clocks.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of the three frames in the context of the Twin Paradox, indicating a lack of clarity in the initial framing of the problem.
  • Some participants assert that the essence of the Twin Paradox is that one twin ages less due to the effects of acceleration and the non-equivalence of their experiences, emphasizing that the traveling twin can prove they have moved.
  • There is a suggestion that the scenario presented does not align with the traditional understanding of the Twin Paradox, with one participant labeling it as the "NOT paradox twins."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and correctness of the three frames in relation to the Twin Paradox. There is no consensus on whether the scenario accurately represents the paradox or if it complicates the discussion unnecessarily.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the introduction of three frames may not be necessary for understanding the Twin Paradox, indicating potential limitations in the framing of the problem and its relevance to the established paradox.

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In this story we will have three inertia frames. Frame Fi where both twins start together and at rest with respect to each other. Frame FL moving at a speed v in the negative x direction and Frame FR moving at a speed v in the positive x direction.

Both twins zero their watches and start accelerating away from each other with acceleration -a and +a respectively. They do this until one year elapses on their local clock. They then coast for one year on their local clock. They then accelerate with rate +a and -a respectively for one year on their local clock. Then they accelerate with a rate of +a and -a respectively for one year local time. They then coast for one year local time. They then accelerate with a rate -a and +a respectively for one year local time. They are now at the same (almost the same, not exactly on top of each other) place. They both read six years on their own clock and they both read six years on the others clock.

Yes?
 
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Hi edpell! :wink:

(i don't see where the three frames come into it, but anyway …)
edpell said:
… They both read six years on their own clock and they both read six years on the others clock.

Yes?

Yes. :smile:
 
Yes, but that's not really the point of the twins paradox

The paradox is that one twin comes back younger but the twin on Earth says, "I believe I was traveling and you were stationary = so I should be younger than you" The solution is that the one in the spaceship accelerated an turned round, he could detect these events and so prove he had travelled.
The cases aren't equivalent
 
mgb_phys said:
Yes, but that's not really the point of the twins paradox

This is the NOT paradox twins. I agree this has nothing but part of the name in common with the other.
 
tiny-tim said:
(i don't see where the three frames come into it, but anyway …)


You are right, it just clutters up the story.
 

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