Upwards buoyancy pressure only acts on the surface of a structure that

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of buoyancy and pressure acting on a submerged structure, specifically a cube, in a fluid environment. Participants explore the conditions under which buoyancy acts, the calculation of pressure on different surfaces of the structure, and the implications of partial submersion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that upwards buoyancy pressure only acts on the surface of a structure that is faced down, suggesting that only the bottom surface needs to be considered for pressure calculations.
  • Another participant challenges this view, stating that buoyancy is a total resultant force and that the pressure on the bottom surface must be at the corresponding depth where that pressure is measured.
  • A clarification is made regarding buoyant force, indicating that it acts on the surface facing downward and that forces on the sides of the cube cancel each other out.
  • It is proposed that if the pressure on the bottom of the cube is calculated to be 2700 kPa, the cube will sink until it reaches a depth of 270 meters, where the pressure from the water equals the downward pressure on the cube.
  • Another participant points out that if the top surface of the cube is submerged, the buoyant force is determined by the difference in pressure acting on the submerged surfaces, indicating that buoyancy is not solely a function of depth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of buoyancy and pressure acting on submerged structures. There is no consensus on whether buoyancy only acts on the downward-facing surface or if it is influenced by the submerged top surface as well.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding the conditions of submersion, the geometry of the structure, and the effects of air pressure on the top surface are discussed but not resolved. The implications of partial versus full submersion are also noted as a point of contention.

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so with buoyancy and liquid pressure i am pretty sure i know the answer but i just want to confirm (please don't laugh if it's obvious)

- upwards buoyancy pressure only acts on the surface of a structure that is faced down
- the bottom of the structure that supports all the mass of the structure (assume a cube like structure for simplicity) is the only area that has to be taken into account when calculating pressure on the downside.
- if the pressure on the bottom of the cube surface is 2700kpa, it will find equilibrium and stop at 2700 kpa of the ocean (270 meters)
 
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gloo said:
- upwards buoyancy pressure only acts on the surface of a structure that is faced down
No, it is the total resultant force.
- the bottom of the structure that supports all the mass of the structure (assume a cube like structure for simplicity) is the only area that has to be taken into account when calculating pressure on the downside.
...and supports the water above the object.
- if the pressure on the bottom of the cube surface is 2700kpa, it will find equilibrium and stop at 2700 kpa of the ocean (270 meters)
No, if the pressure is 2700 kpa, then it is at a depth where the pressure is 2700 kpa! It can't be anywhere else!
 


thanks Russ - i just want to clarify points 1 and 3

1. I guess i was making an assumptiom buoyancy meant upward for this point. I was trying to say that buoyant force pusing upward on the object only acts on the surface of the cube facing downward (partial submersion). The forces on the side will cancel out and have no net effect upward

3. in a partial submersion scenario, if the formula of pressure=force/area - and whatever the force of gravity on the cube and it's contents and divide by the area of the bottom of the cube, and it's answer is 2700kpa, then the bottom of the cube will sink until it reaches 270 meters (where the pressure is 2700kpa). There the pressure downward on the cube's bottom surface is equal to the upward pressure of the water at that depth, and that is where the cube will stop sinking (equilibrium?)
 


Yes, in the case of a partially submerged cube with its sides kept perfectly vertical, only the water pressure on the bottom surface contributes to the upward buoyant force. (But don't forget air pressure pushing down on the top surface.)
 


For #3, that's only true if the top surface is not submerged. If the top surface is under water, then the buoyant force is equal to the difference in pressure (times area). For a submerged object, bouyancy is not a function of depth.
 

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