How Do You Calculate Combustion Energy in Bomb Calorimetry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating combustion energy in bomb calorimetry, specifically focusing on the heat capacity of a calorimeter and the energy of combustion for benzoic acid and vanillin. The scope includes homework-related calculations and technical reasoning regarding calorimetry principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a calculation for the heat capacity of the calorimeter based on the combustion of benzoic acid and subsequent calculations for vanillin's combustion energy.
  • Post 2 challenges the calculations in Post 1, stating that the units are inconsistent and that the heat capacity value derived seems incorrect given the energy input.
  • Post 3 further clarifies the distinction between specific heat capacity and heat capacity, suggesting that the calculations confuse these concepts.
  • Post 4 points out a specific error in the calculation for vanillin's combustion energy, indicating that division by mass was needed rather than multiplication.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the calculations presented in Post 1, with multiple corrections and clarifications offered. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial calculations, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the calculations, including potential confusion between intensive and extensive properties, as well as issues with unit consistency. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical steps or assumptions.

ScreamingIntoTheVoid

Homework Statement


The combustion of 0.1577 g benzoic acid increases the temperature of a bomb calorimeter by 2.51°C. a) Calculate the heat capacity of this calorimeter. (The energy released by combustion of benzoic acid is 26.42 kJ/g.)

A 0.2123-g sample of vanillin is then burned in the same calorimeter, and the temperature increases by 3.25°C.
b) What is the energy of combustion per gram of vanillin?
C)How about per mol?

2. Homework Equations

qv=mCv delta T

The Attempt at a Solution


a)26.42 kj/g x 0.1557g= 4.113594 kj=q
4.113594 kj= (0.1577g)(Cv)(2.51 Celsius) -> Cv=10.39240375 kj/celsius

b) (0.2123g)(10.39240375 kj/celsius)(3.25 celsius) = 7.17... kj/g ->7.17.../0.2123g = 33.78...

c) (33.78 kj/1g) x (152.15g/1 mol)= 5139.627 kj/mol

All those are wrong apparently... Help?
 
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ScreamingIntoTheVoid said:
4.113594 kj= (0.1577g)(Cv)(2.51 Celsius) -> Cv=10.39240375 kj/celsius
I don't understand what you calculate here, but the result is wrong and the units in the calculation are inconsistent as well. If your calorimeter would need 10.4 kJ to get heated by 1 K (don't use Celsius for differences), then 4 kJ couldn't heat it by more than 1 K, and certainly not by 2.51.
ScreamingIntoTheVoid said:
(0.2123g)(10.39240375 kj/celsius)(3.25 celsius) = 7.17... kj/g
Here the units are inconsistent as well.

(c) looks fine, it just starts with a wrong value from (b).
 
ScreamingIntoTheVoid said:
4.113594 kj= (0.1577g)(Cv)(2.51 Celsius) -> Cv=10.39240375 kj/celsius

You are confusing specific heat capacity (which requires some scaling factor, like mass or number of moles, to calculate the heat capacity) with a heat capacity, which is already a capacity of the whole calorimeter.

Do you know the difference between intensive and extensive properties?
 
In (b), you should have divided by 0.2123 gm, not multiplied by 0.2123 gm.
 

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