Using definition of derivative to calculate, stuck, cant find a cancellation

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The discussion focuses on calculating the derivative of the function f(x) = 1/(1 + x^2) at x=1 using the definition of the derivative. The user initially struggles with the limit calculation, leading to a zero in the denominator. A fellow participant suggests factoring out -1 from the numerator, which reveals a cancellation with the denominator. This correction allows the user to successfully compute the limit, resulting in the correct derivative of -1/2. The conversation highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in derivative calculations.
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use the definition of the derivative to compute the derivative of the function at x=1

f(x) = 1/(1 + x 2) for all x.

The Attempt at a Solution


i put it into lim[ (f(x)-f(xo))/x-xo ] form and got

[(1/1+x2) - (1/2)] <---------numerator
___________________________ <----- division sign ("over")
x-1 <----------- denomenator

form and from there canceled to
2-1-x2 / 2(x2+1)

and then again to -x2 + 1 / 2(x2+1)

but now I am stuck and can't find a cancellation to calculate the limit at x=1 without getting a 0 in there soemwhere

if i stick this into the limit calculation formula itll just give me a 0 and that's no good. i already know the answer is -1/2 but i can't quite get there. any help is appreciated, thanks.
 
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irebat said:
use the definition of the derivative to compute the derivative of the function at x=1

f(x) = 1/(1 + x 2) for all x.

The Attempt at a Solution


i put it into lim[ (f(x)-f(xo))/x-xo ] form and got

[(1/1+x2) - (1/2)] <---------numerator
___________________________ <----- division sign ("over")
x-1 <----------- denomenator

form and from there canceled to
2-1-x2 / 2(x2+1)

and then again to -x2 + 1 / 2(x2+1)

but now I am stuck and can't find a cancellation to calculate the limit at x=1 without getting a 0 in there soemwhere

if i stick this into the limit calculation formula itll just give me a 0 and that's no good. i already know the answer is -1/2 but i can't quite get there. any help is appreciated, thanks.

Okay, if I've read this correctly, so far you have
\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(x^2 + 1)}}{x-1}
right?

What happens if you factor out a -1 from the top fraction's numerator? Is there any algebra you can do on that to divide out the x-1?
 
BrianMath said:
Okay, if I've read this correctly, so far you have
\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(x^2 + 1)}}{x-1}
right?

What happens if you factor out a -1 from the top fraction's numerator? Is there any algebra you can do on that to divide out the x-1?

well, actually right now i have

\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(x^2 + 1)}
 
irebat said:
well, actually right now i have

\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(x^2 + 1)}

Where did the x-1 in the denominator go?

\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{1}{1+x^2} - \frac{1}{2}}{x-1} =<br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{2}{2(1+x^2)} - \frac{1+x^2}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1} =<br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{2 - 1 - x^2}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1} = <br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1}
 
BrianMath said:
Where did the x-1 in the denominator go?

\lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{1}{1+x^2} - \frac{1}{2}}{x-1} =<br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{2}{2(1+x^2)} - \frac{1+x^2}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1} =<br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{2 - 1 - x^2}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1} = <br /> \lim_{x\to 1} \frac{\frac{-x^2 + 1}{2(1+x^2)}}{x-1}

omg your right.

careless mistake got me again. dang
yeah, taking that -1 out brings out an x-1 in the numerator that cancels with the denominator that I completely forgot about

and then i can take my limit to get -2/4, which is right.

BIG THANKS, man, seriously.
 
irebat said:
omg your right.

careless mistake got me again. dang
yeah, taking that -1 out brings out an x-1 in the numerator that cancels with the denominator that I completely forgot about

and then i can take my limit to get -2/4, which is right.

BIG THANKS, man, seriously.

No problem, little mistakes like these happen to the best of us. :smile:
 
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