Using the Product of the Integrals is integrals of Product Magic in multivar

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The discussion revolves around the concept of integrating functions in multiple variables, particularly focusing on the validity of separating integrals when dealing with functions of two variables. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the justification for the method of integrating in spherical coordinates and the general principle that allows for the product of integrals to equal the integral of products under certain conditions.

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the separation of integrals is valid, particularly emphasizing the need for functions to be separable. They discuss specific examples, such as the integral of e^(-x^2-y^2), and question the assumptions behind Griffiths' application of these principles in electrodynamics.

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Several participants provide insights into the conditions necessary for separating integrals, with some clarifying that the limits of integration must be constant and the functions must be separable. The conversation is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in examples and seeking further understanding.

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There is an emphasis on the distinction between functions that can be separated and those that cannot, with specific examples illustrating the differences. The original poster's inquiry is framed within a coursework context rather than a direct homework problem.

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Using the "Product of the Integrals is integrals of Product" Magic in multivar

This isn't actually a question on a homework problem, but It is coursework related so I thought it belonged here. I've noticed a lot of magic in Griffiths and other textbooks, where say, in integrating in spherical co-ordinates, you simply do the theta, phi, and r integrals, and them multiply them all together...

but I thought this was not a valid way to do integration... like it makes sense to me, but I can't justify to myself why it would always be true that one could do this... is it maybe only true when the function your integrating doesn't depend on all three variables, or you can get it into a form where the product of these things don't?

For instance, Int (e^-x^2-y^2)dxdy... across all of R^2 this integral of this is equal to the integral of e^-x^2 dx times from 0-> infinity the integral of e^-y^2 dy multiplied together from 0 to infinity... Why? and why is it legit to do this "pulling out dphi and multiplying by that integral" like Griffiths does in his electrodynamics?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Lets take your example e^(-x^2-y^2).

[tex] \int \int e^{-x^2-y^2}dxdy=\int \int e^{-x^2}e^{-y^2}dxdy=\int e^{-y^2} \left(\int e^{-x^2}dx \right)dy=\int e^{-y^2} dy \int e^{-x^2} dx[/tex]

Step 2 to 3: [itex]e^{-y^2}[/itex] is a constant with respect to x, so you can take it in front of the integral.
step 3 to 4: [itex]\int e^{-x^2}dx[/itex] is a constant with respect to dy, so you can take it in front of the integral.

In Griffiths you're probably talking about integrals like:

[tex] W=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int_{all space}E^2 dV=\int_0^R \int_0^\pi \int_0^{2\pi} E^2 r^2 \sin \theta d\phi d\theta dr=<br /> \int_0^R E^2 r^2 dr \int_0^\pi \sin \theta d\theta \int_0^{2\pi} d\phi[/tex]

This is because, E usually has a dependence on r alone, had it been [itex]\vec{E(r,\theta,\phi)}[/itex] this would only have worked if [itex]\vec{E(r,\theta,\phi)}=E(r)E(\theta)E(\phi)[/itex]

For example:
[tex] \int \int 2 \cos (xy) \sin (xy)\, dxdy \neq 2 \int \cos (xy)\, dx \int \sin (xy)\, dy[/tex]

Try it out.
 
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If the limits of integration are constant and the function is "separable", f(x,y)= g(x)h(y), that is valid.

[tex]\int_{x= a}^{b}\int_{y= c}^d g(x)h(y) dydx= \int_{x=a}^f g(x)\left(\int_{y= c}^d h(y)dy\right) dx[/tex]
Since h is a function of y only and the limits of integration, c and d, are constant, the integration inside the parentheses is a constant and so can be taken out of the second integral:
[tex]\left(\int_{y= c}^d h(y)dy\right)\left(\int_{x= a}^b g(x)dx\right)[/tex]
 


Great; Thanks guys!
 

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