Using u substitution for integrating.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the technique of u substitution in integration, focusing on understanding how to effectively choose and replace variables with u and du. Participants share examples and tips for applying this method in various integral problems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with u substitution and requests tips for improvement.
  • Another participant explains the basic concept of u substitution, providing an example integral and detailing the relationship between u and du.
  • A participant presents a specific example involving the integral of ln(x) and demonstrates the substitution process.
  • There is uncertainty about how to evaluate the integral involving sin^3(x), with participants suggesting different substitutions.
  • Some participants suggest trying various substitutions as a way to develop intuition, even if it may seem reckless.
  • Multiple suggestions for substitutions are offered for the integral involving sin^3(x), with participants debating the effectiveness of using u = cos(x) versus u = sin(x).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach for evaluating the integral involving sin^3(x), as different substitution methods are proposed and debated.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the effectiveness of substitutions may depend on familiarity with trigonometric identities and algebraic manipulation, but these aspects remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Students or individuals seeking to improve their understanding of integration techniques, particularly u substitution, may find this discussion beneficial.

Mathmanman
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So I am pretty bad at u substitution.
I don't really get how to replace values with du or u.

Can you please give me tips on how to do u substitution well?
Thanks.
 
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In the most basic example, u corresponds to some expression while du corresponds to the derivative of that expression. The main idea is to look for this pattern and eventually integrate.

Example:

1. \int 2x \sqrt{x^2+4} \: dx

Let
u = x^2+4, then du = 2x \: dx, thus you have the form

\int du \sqrt{u} \: or simply \int du \: u^{1/2} \:, and then you integrate:

\int 2x \sqrt{x^2+4} \: dx = 2/3(x^2+4)^{3/2} + C

The best tip I could give you is to practice a lot and try to identify these patterns quickly. However, it may not be as easy and obvious at first glance, and sometimes algebraic manipulation or other things may come in handy before integrating. If it would be a 4x instead of a 2x then what would you do?

More examples:

2. \int \frac{ln(x)}{x}\: dx

3. \int {sin(x)}^{3} \: cos(x) \: dx
 
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So... for number 2:
du = 1/x dx
and u = ln(x)
∫u du =
(u^2)/2 + c
([ln(x)]^2)/2 + c
 
But I don't know how to evaluate number 3.
what about sin^3(x)?
 
Mathmanman said:
But I don't know how to evaluate number 3.
what about sin^3(x)?

Try a substitution ##u=\cos(x)##. That will work rather nicely if you know your trig.
 
Often times I find it's useful to just try things, as there are only so many choices you can make. Sometimes they tend to work themselves out if you're lucky. Sure, this might seem fairly reckless, but it helps build your intuition when you see how it's wrong.
 
micromass said:
Try a substitution ##u=\cos(x)##. That will work rather nicely if you know your trig.

Or how about ##u=\sin x##? :rolleyes:
 
micromass said:
Try a substitution ##u=\cos(x)##. That will work rather nicely if you know your trig.

Pranav-Arora said:
Or how about ##u=\sin x##? :rolleyes:
Either will work- but, for integrating sin^2(x)cos(x), u= sin(x) is much easier than u= cos(x)!
 

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