Value of L for the ground state of Vanadium (II)

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The discussion revolves around the determination of the value of L for the ground state of Vanadium (II), specifically in the context of Russell-Saunders term symbols. Participants explore the implications of electron configurations, Hund's rules, and the Clebsch-Gordan series in relation to the d subshell of Vanadium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the value of L being given as 1 + 2 = 3, suggesting that based on the Clebsch-Gordan series, L should be 4 for the ground state of Vanadium (II) due to the two outer electrons in the d subshell.
  • Another participant points out that the two electrons must have the same spin according to Hund's first rule and cannot occupy the same orbital due to Pauli's principle, leading to a different interpretation of L.
  • A question is raised about why the electrons must occupy orbitals with different values of l rather than just different ml values, emphasizing that if they are d electrons, l should remain the same.
  • A subsequent reply agrees that the electrons must occupy orbitals with different ml values and outlines a method for determining the maximal value of ML and its relation to L.
  • Another participant confirms that ML can take values of 3, 2, 1, 0, -1, -2, -3, concluding that L = 3 for the ground state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of L, with some supporting the idea that L should be 4 based on the Clebsch-Gordan series, while others argue for L = 3 based on considerations of electron spin and orbital occupancy. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Hund's rules and the Clebsch-Gordan series, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the treatment of electron configurations and the implications of orbital occupancy rules.

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Hi,

I've been working through my lecture notes from last year and I encountered this example of Russel-Saunders term symbols.

I'm confused by the value of L being given as 1 + 2 = 3.

What I recalled was that L is defined for two electrons by the Clebsch-Gordan series L = l(1)+l(2), l(1) + l(2) - 1,...,Mod (l(1) - l(2)). As the two outer electrons of V (III) are in the d subshell (l = 2), surely L = 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 and hence for the ground state we maximize l per Hundt's second law so L = 4.

Any help greatly appreciated !
 
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You have to take into account that the two electrons are supposed to have the same spin due to the first rule of Hund. Hence they cannot occupy the same orbital due to Pauli's principle, i.e. to maximize L one will be in the orbital with l=2 but the other electron can then only occupy the orbital with l=1.
 
Why do they have to occupy orbitals with different values of l rather than just ml ? If they are d2 electrons, the value of l must be the same ? l = 1, 2 would have one electron in a p orbital, surely.
 
Yes, you are obviously right. They have to occupy orbitals with the different ml.
The argument goes like this:
Write down all possible combinations of the ml. Then look for the maximal value of ML, this must coincide with the maximal value of L.
If you want to obtain all possible values of L you have to remove the ladder of values ML =L_max, L_max-1, ... -L_max+1, -L_max and look for the next largest remaining value of ML. Eventually you have to repeat the process several times.
 
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Ah, thanks, that makes it clear - ML can take values of 3, 2, 1, 0, -1, -2, -3, so L = 3 for ground state.
 
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