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The discussion revolves around the analysis of the Mexican hat potential in the context of a specific Lagrangian. Participants explore the stability of the field configuration at the stationary point, particularly the unstable configuration at ##\phi = 0##, and whether this can be demonstrated using classical equations of motion.

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  • One participant presents the Lagrangian and defines the Mexican hat potential, noting the stationary points and the unstable configuration at ##\phi = 0##.
  • Another participant suggests minimizing the free energy computed from the path integral as a method to demonstrate the instability of the configuration at ##\phi = 0##.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the approach of minimizing free energy but questions the necessity of this method given the availability of classical equations of motion.
  • One participant asserts that demonstrating instability involves showing that the configuration is a local maximum of the free energy, indicating a connection to the equations of motion.
  • A request is made for specific steps to illustrate how to show the instability using the classical equations of motion.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and methodology for demonstrating the instability of the field configuration at ##\phi = 0##. There is no consensus on a singular approach, as some advocate for using free energy minimization while others prefer classical equations of motion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of classical equations of motion and the interpretation of free energy in the context of the path integral formalism. Specific mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved.

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Consider the Lagrangian

$$\mathcal{L} = \bar{\psi}(i\gamma^{\mu}{\partial_{\mu}}-y\phi)\psi +\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)^{2}-V(\phi),$$

where the potential energy ##V(\phi)## is given by

$$V(\phi) = \frac{1}{2}\kappa^{2}\phi^{2} + \frac{\lambda}{24}\phi^{4}.$$

For ##\kappa^{2}=-|\kappa^{2}|##, we obtain a mexican hat potential.

The stationary points of this potential give us the true vacua ##\phi = \pm \sqrt{\frac{6|\kappa^{2}|}{\lambda}}## of this potential as well as the unstable field configuration ##\phi = 0##.

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Is there an alternative way, for example, by using the classical equations of motion of ##\phi## (setting ##\psi## to zero) to show that the
field configuration ##\phi(x) = 0## is unstable?
 
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You want to choose the solution that minimizes the free energy which you can just compute from the path integral. The classical limit means that you are evaluating it on the saddle point i.e., the equations of motion.
 
radium said:
You want to choose the solution that minimizes the free energy which you can just compute from the path integral. The classical limit means that you are evaluating it on the saddle point i.e., the equations of motion.

Computing the free energy (from the path integral) and then minimising it and then evaluating it on the saddle point is overkill as I already have the classical equation of motion.

Do you have some way to use the classical equations of motion of ##\phi## (setting ##\psi## to zero) to show that the field configuration ##\phi(x) = 0## is unstable?
 
Yes, what I wrote is how you would do it.

In general, you show that something is unstable by showing that it is actually a local maximum of the free energy. In this case case you evaluate the free energy from the path integral on the equations of motion in the classical limit, so this is how you would see that there is an instability using the equations of motion.
 
Can you provide a few steps to show how to do this?
 

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