Variable acceleration question

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The discussion revolves around the problem of moving a particle from point A to point B under variable acceleration, F(t), with specific boundary conditions. Participants explore different forms of acceleration and their implications on the motion of the particle, including the need for the particle to settle at rest at point B.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a linear form of acceleration, a(t) = c * t + A0, and seeks to determine the corresponding velocity and distance functions.
  • Another participant notes that multiple solutions exist and suggests that an additional condition is necessary to uniquely determine the acceleration.
  • A different participant points out that A0, V0, and B are interrelated, indicating that only two can be variable while the third is determined by the others.
  • One participant derives equations for distance, velocity, and acceleration, leading to a second-order differential equation, but encounters issues with boundary conditions.
  • Another participant asserts that constant acceleration is a valid solution under certain conditions, while also noting that if A0 is non-zero, acceleration must change over time.
  • Several participants engage in detailed calculations to express B in terms of A0 and V0, arriving at various formulations and conditions for the motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the form of acceleration or the implications of the boundary conditions. Multiple competing views and methods for solving the problem are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationships between A0, V0, and B, as well as the implications of boundary conditions on the form of acceleration. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in relation to the integration of acceleration to derive velocity and distance.

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hi all,

i think this should be simple but i just can't figuring it out

i basically want to move a particle at rest from point A to point B by applying a force, F(t).
the particle should be at point B when t = T

knowing at that F = m * a(t), i m assuming m = 1, which means F(t) = a(t)

i don't want the particle to swing around point B, meaning i want it to settle to rest at point B very quickly, this means velocity at point B should be 0, v(T) = 0

so assuming d=distance, v=velocity, a=acceleration, i created the following condition below for my question:

d(0) = 0
v(0) = V0
a(0) = A0

d(T) = B
v(T) = 0
a(T) = 0

i m thinking that many a(t) will satisfy the above boundary conditions, like a linear a(t) in the form of
a(t) = c * t + A0

then i got stuck...

any help would be great...
thanks in advance
 
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If a(t) = c * t + A0, then what are v(t) and d(t)?
 
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You're right on track so far, especially with the observation that there will be many solutions. You're going to need some sort of extra condition to determine the acceleration uniquely. For example, you could assume that it's linear, or sinusoidal, or you could try to find the pattern of acceleration that will produce the minimum amount of work. Or whatever. But once you figure out what kind of acceleration you want, it's really just a math problem.

P.S. You might have to do some fiddling to satisfy all 6 of your boundary conditions.
 
Note for the given problem statement, A0, V0, and B are related to each other in such way that only two of them can be variable, and the third value will be determined from the other two. For example, if you want A0 and V0 to be the inputs, then B is a calculated value.
 
here is my approach

i got this from some physics book
1) D(t) = 1/2 * a(t) * t2 + v0 * t + d0

differentiating 1) with respect to t, i get
2) v(t) = dD/dt = 1/2 * t * a' + t * a + v0

differentiating 2) with respect to t, i get
3) a = a(t) = dv/dt = 2 * t * a' + 1/2 * t2 * a'' + a

from 3) i get a 2nd order DE
4) a'' = -4/t * a

solving 4) i get
a(t) = c1/t3 + c2

which means that acceleration is infinity at a(0), which violates my boundary condition of
a(0) = A0

am i in the right direction?
thanks in advance
 
yoshi95 said:
1) D(t) = 1/2 * a(t) * t2 + v0 * t + d0
That is the equation for constant acceleration, a(t) = A0.

You've already stated the equation for acceleration,

a(t) = c t + A0

Start with that and integrate to get v(t), then integrate again to get d(t). For the constants of integration, you've already defined them as V0 for v(0) and 0 for d(0).
 
For anyone that was curious:
Note that A0 is negative, B is a determined value.

A(t) = t c + A0
V(t) = 1/2 t2 c + t A0 + V0
D(t) = 1/6 t3 c + 1/2 t2A0 + t V0 + 0

For some t != 0, A(t) = 0, V(t) = 0, and D(t) = B (to be determined)

cancel c term to solve for T:
1/2 T A(T) = 1/2 T2 c + 1/2 T A0
V(T) - 1/2 t A(T) = 1/2 T A0 + V0 = 0
T = -2 V0 / A0

use T to solve for c:
A(T) = T c + A0 = (-2 V0/A0) c + A0 = 0
c = A02 / (2 V0)

use T and c to solve for B
D(t) = 1/6 T3 c + 1/2 T2A0 + T V0 + 0 = B
1/6 (-2 V0/A0)3 (A02 / (2 V0)) + 1/2 (-2 V0/A0)2 A0 + (-2 V0/A0) V0 = B
-2/3 (V02 / A0) + 2 (V02 / A0) -2 (V02 / A0) = B
B = -2/3 (V02 / A0)

alternate method for B (cancel c term, then A0 term, to solve for B versus t):
cancel c term:
V(t) = 1/2 t2 c + t A0 + V0
D(t) = 1/6 t3 c + 1/2 t2A0 + t V0 - B = 0
1/3 t V(t) = 1/6 t3 c + 1/3 t2 A0 + 1/3 t V0 = 0
D(t) - 1/3 t V(t) = 1/6 t2 A0 + 2/3 t V0 - B = 0
cancel A0 term:
V(t) - 1/2 t A(t) = 1/2 t A0 + V0 = 0
1/3 t (V(t) - 1/2 t A(t)) = 1/6 t2 A0 + 1/3 t V0 = 0
(D(t) - 1/3 t V(t)) - (1/3 t (V(t) - 1/2 t A(t))) = 1/3 t V0 - B = 0
B = 1/3 t V0
solve for t = T
B = 1/3 T V0 = 1/3 (-2 V0 / A0) V0 = -2/3 (V02 / A0)
 
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I'm pretty sure a constant acceleration is still within the family of initial solutions.
 
flatmaster said:
I'm pretty sure a constant acceleration is still within the family of initial solutions.
Only if A0, V0, and B are zero, the object never moves, and t doesn't matter. Otherwise if A0 ≠ 0 at t = 0, then later A0 = 0 at t = T, then acceleration has to change. Remove the requirement that A0 = 0 at t = T, then constant acceleration works.
 

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