Variational Operator Homework: Part 2

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The discussion revolves around a functional involving the variational operator in the context of calculus of variations. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the transition between two forms of the functional and the appearance of a factor of ½ in the second equality.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the variational operator and integration, questioning the derivation of the factor of ½. Some suggest that integration by parts may be relevant, while others argue against this approach and discuss the expansion of the function in a Taylor series.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Participants are actively questioning assumptions about the variational operator's behavior and its interaction with other operators. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants note the importance of considering the smallness of variations and the implications of linearization in the context of the problem. There is also mention of the complexity involved in manipulating the variational operator within products.

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Hi

In my book they have the following functional (δ is the variational opertator):

[tex] \delta J = \int_0^1 {\left( {\frac{{du}}{{dx}}\frac{{d(\delta u)}}{{dx}} + u\delta u - x\delta u} \right)} = \delta \int_0^1 {\left( {\frac{1}{2}\left( {\frac{{du}}{{dx}}} \right)^2 + \frac{1}{2}u^2 - xu} \right)} [/tex]

I don't understand the second equality. They say that the integration-operator and the variational operator commute, which I agree with, but where does the factor ½ come from?


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Integration by parts is the answer you're looking for.
 
hunt_mat said:
Integration by parts is the answer you're looking for.

No, it's not integration by parts. Write u+δu as the function plus variation. Then the variation of u^2, δ(u^2) is (u+δu)^2-u^2. Which is u^2+2δu*u+(δu)^2-u^2=2δu*u+(δu)^2. Ignore the (δu)^2 since δu is a 'small variation'. So the quadratic is really small. So δ(u^2)=2δu*u. The variation acts a lot like a differentiation operator. That's where the 1/2 factors come from.
 
Dick said:
No, it's not integration by parts. Write u+δu as the function plus variation. Then the variation of u^2, δ(u^2) is (u+δu)^2-u^2. Which is u^2+2δu*u+(δu)^2-u^2=2δu*u+(δu)^2. Ignore the (δu)^2 since δu is a 'small variation'. So the quadratic is really small. So δ(u^2)=2δu*u. The variation acts a lot like a differentiation operator. That's where the 1/2 factors come from.

Thanks, but if the variational operator commutes with the integration- and differentiation operator, then why can't we just pull the δ to the left to begin with and drop the above calculation
 
Niles said:
Thanks, but if the variational operator commutes with the integration- and differentiation operator, then why can't we just pull the δ to the left to begin with and drop the above calculation

How can you just 'pull the δ to the left'? There's not just one δ. It's mixed up in products.
 
Sorry if this one is old, but as far as I know, variation uses expanding the "deformed function", i.e [itex]u+\delta u[/itex], in a Taylor series and ignoring all terms of order higher than one (so to speak, we perform some linearization trick.). As Dick pointed out, we have to subtract the original integral from the linearized Taylor expansion in order to obtain the variation. Hope this aids at clarification!
 

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