Undergrad Using the Chain Rule for Vector Calculus: A Tutorial

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The discussion focuses on the correct application of the chain rule in vector calculus, specifically regarding the differentiation of products involving vector fields. The correct expression for the gradient of the dot product of a vector field \(\mathbf{v}\) with itself is \(\nabla(\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v}) = 2\mathbf{v} (\nabla \cdot \mathbf{v})\), rather than \(2 \mathbf{v} \cdot \nabla \mathbf{v}\). Participants emphasized the importance of understanding the order of operations in the chain rule and provided examples using suffix notation to clarify these concepts.

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  • Understanding of vector calculus concepts, particularly the chain rule.
  • Familiarity with gradient, divergence, and vector operations.
  • Knowledge of suffix notation in tensor calculus.
  • Basic proficiency in mathematical limits and their definitions.
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  • Study the application of the chain rule in different contexts, focusing on vector fields.
  • Learn about the properties and applications of the gradient and divergence operators in vector calculus.
  • Explore suffix notation and its advantages over traditional vector notation in complex calculations.
  • Investigate the implications of the product rule in vector calculus and its relationship with the chain rule.
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This discussion is beneficial for students and professionals in mathematics, physics, and engineering, particularly those working with fluid dynamics, electromagnetism, or any field that utilizes vector calculus for modeling and analysis.

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chain rule order of differentiation in the product
This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

and not
It contains gradient of vector which is a tough object.
 
binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks
The gradient of a scalar function is a vector. All these identities follow from the definition.
 
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binbagsss said:
TL;DR Summary: chain rule order of differentiation in the product

This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example

## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ##

and not

## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ##

Is there an obvious way to see / think of this from the chain rule, say in 1-D, preferably through looking at the limit definition?
Thanks

Using suffix notation, we can form five vectors from two copies of \mathbf{v} and a single \nabla: <br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \nabla (\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v}) &amp; \partial_i(v_jv_j), \\<br /> \nabla \cdot (\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}) &amp; \partial_j(v_iv_j) , \\<br /> \mathbf{v} \cdot (\nabla \mathbf{v}) &amp; v_j \partial_i v_j, \\<br /> \mathbf{v} (\nabla \cdot \mathbf{v}) &amp; v_i \partial_j v_j, \\<br /> (\mathbf{v} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{v} &amp; v_j \partial_j v_i. <br /> \end{array} Applying the product rule to the first two we have <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \nabla (\mathbf{v} \cdot \mathbf{v}) &amp;= 2\mathbf{v} \cdot (\nabla \mathbf{v}) \\<br /> \nabla \cdot (\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}) &amp;= (\mathbf{v} \cdot \nabla) \mathbf{v} + \mathbf{v}(\nabla \cdot \mathbf{v}).\end{split} This is about the point at which suffix notation becomes clearer than vector notation.

EDIT: For completeness, we can also form these three using the cross product: <br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \nabla \times (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{v}) &amp; \epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm}\partial_j(v_lv_m) \\<br /> \mathbf{v} \times (\nabla \times \mathbf{v}) &amp; \epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} v_j\partial_l v_m \\<br /> (\mathbf{v} \times \nabla) \times \mathbf{v} &amp; -\epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} v_l\partial_mv_j<br /> \end{array} These can, however, be expressed in terms of the previous vectors by use of the identity \epsilon_{ijk}\epsilon_{klm} = \delta_{il}\delta_{jm} - \delta_{im}\delta_{jl}.
 
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@pasmith, what operation is implied in this product: ##\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}##? (The 2nd of your 5 examples)
 
Mark44 said:
@pasmith, what operation is implied in this product: ##\mathbf{v} \mathbf{v}##? (The 2nd of your 5 examples)
Tensor product: (\mathbf{v}\mathbf{v})_{ij} = v_i v_j.
 
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