Velocity field around an airfoil

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the velocity field around an airfoil, particularly focusing on the measurement and calculation of velocity in front of the airfoil, including the effects of the airfoil on the airflow, such as upwash. Participants explore both theoretical and experimental aspects of this topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks data on velocity measurements in front of an airfoil to validate their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests the book "Theory of Wing Sections" as a resource for information on airfoils.
  • There is a clarification regarding the term "in front of," with some participants discussing the concept of free stream and the airfoil's effect on airflow upstream, including upwash.
  • One participant inquires about experimental data on the magnitude of upwash and methods to calculate it.
  • A participant describes how a symmetrical airfoil behaves at different angles of attack, affecting airflow distribution over the airfoil.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of measuring airflow volumes in an open system, with a suggestion that potential flow theory can accurately calculate flow around the airfoil outside the boundary layer.
  • A reference is made to the Joukowski airfoil as a useful analytic solution for validation, noting its derivation from a complex transformation of a circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of airflow measurements and the effects of the airfoil on the surrounding air. There is no consensus on the best methods for measuring or calculating the velocity field, and multiple competing perspectives remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding airflow behavior, the limitations of measuring techniques in open systems, and the applicability of potential flow theory, which may not account for all factors involved in real-world scenarios.

RandomGuy88
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Does anyone know of any available data on velocity measurements in front of an airfoil. I have written a program to calculate the velocity field in front of an airfoil and I need to validate my results but I am having trouble finding any useful data or theory.
 
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The book "Theory of Wing Sections" by Abbott and Doenhoff has pretty much anything you could need about most common airfoils.

It only costs something like $20 to boot!
 
"In front of?" You mean like free stream, before the airfoil has any effect on the air?
 
mugaliens said:
"In front of?" You mean like free stream, before the airfoil has any effect on the air?

No. The airfoil effects the air upstream of the actual airfoil, for example the upwash right in front of the leading edge.
 
RandomGuy88 said:
No. The airfoil effects the air upstream of the actual airfoil, for example the upwash right in front of the leading edge.

:smile:
 
Does anyone know of any experimental data on the magnitude of this upwash? Or a way to calculate it?
 
RandomGuy88 said:
Does anyone know of any experimental data on the magnitude of this upwash? Or a way to calculate it?

Gotcha. A symettrical airfoil with no angle of attack will evenly spilit the airstream such that half of the air moves over the top, and half moves under the bottom. Give it a positive AOA, however, and the pressure increases underneath such that more than half of the airflow is pushed up over the top.

At velocities of less than Mach 0.3, the compressible effects are less than 5%, so it's considered subsonic flow. Between Mach 0.3 and 0.8, it's considered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressible_flow" contains links to many of the flows and issues associated with airfoils.

It's really necessary to calculate the volume of airflow going up over the wing, as parameters for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil" are available which allows one to make all necessary computations with respect to velocity, wing geometry, resulting lift and drag.
 
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and the pressure increases underneath such that more than half of the airflow is pushed up over the top.
& wht does ths mean??
 
It doesn't really mean anything, as that answer isn't really correct. You can't measure a volume of air over the top and bottom in an open system like that.

The flow upstream of the airfoil (and around it) can be fairly accurately calculated with potential flow theory. That can take care of everything outside the boundary layer.
 
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boneh3ad said:
The flow upstream of the airfoil (and around it) can be fairly accurately calculated with potential flow theory. That can take care of everything outside the boundary layer.

Aye. For a great analytic solution used often times, check out what's called an Joukowski airfoil. It's a shape derived from a complex transformation of a circle, so it has an exact solution. I've used it often for validation.

The paper is OLD and from what I remember is freely available online. There are also exact solutions to plunging and pitching cases as well, although the math gets a little ridiculous for those cases (pages and pages of appendix calculus).
 

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