Verification of Stoke's Theorem for a Cylinder

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The discussion revolves around verifying Stoke's Theorem for a cylinder, focusing on the application of the theorem in cylindrical coordinates. Participants are exploring the integration of the curl of a vector field over a defined surface.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the expression for the curl of a vector field and its representation in cylindrical coordinates. There are attempts to set up the integrals for different surfaces of the cylinder, including the lateral surface and the bottom face. Questions arise about the correct orientation and the integration variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on setting up the integrals and clarifying the distinction between the surfaces involved. There is ongoing exploration of the correct expressions and integration techniques, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the orientation of the surfaces and the correct application of the parameters in the integrals. There is mention of previous examples that may not have been helpful, indicating a need for clearer understanding of the method.

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Stoke's Theorem:
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The Attempt at a Solution


∇×A = (3x,-y,-2(z+y))

I have parametric equation for wall and bottom:
Wall: x(θ,z) = acosθ ; y(θ,z) = asinθ ; z(θ,z) = z [0≤θ≤2π],[0≤z≤h]
Bottom: x(θ,r) = rcosθ ; y(θ,r) = rsinθ ; z(θ,r) = 0 [0≤θ≤2π],[0≤r≤a]

And then I get lost, other examples I have tried to understand the method from are going straight over my head, any help much appreciated.
 
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Take a stab at writing down the integral on the lefthand side. Surely you can at least write down ##\nabla\times\vec{A}## in terms of the cylindrical coordinates now.
 
∇×A in cylindrical coordinates is (3acosθ,-asinθ,-2(z+asinθ)) and then I integrate w.r.t. θ and z?
 
It depends on which surface you're integrating over. The integral over ##\Sigma## will be the sum of the integral over the bottom and the integral over the wall.
 
NuclearMeerkat said:
∇×A = (3x,-y,-2(z+y))

I have parametric equation for wall and bottom:
Wall: x(θ,z) = acosθ ; y(θ,z) = asinθ ; z(θ,z) = z [0≤θ≤2π],[0≤z≤h]
Bottom: x(θ,r) = rcosθ ; y(θ,r) = rsinθ ; z(θ,r) = 0 [0≤θ≤2π],[0≤r≤a]

And then I get lost, other examples I have tried to understand the method from are going straight over my head, any help much appreciated.

NuclearMeerkat said:
∇×A in cylindrical coordinates is (3acosθ,-asinθ,-2(z+asinθ)) and then I integrate w.r.t. θ and z?

For the lateral side you have ##\vec R(\theta,z) = \langle a\cos\theta,a\sin\theta,z\rangle##. Now you need to calculate$$
d\Sigma=\pm \vec R_z\times \vec R_\theta$$with the sign chosen to agree with the orientation. Then you will be ready to integrate$$
\iint_\Sigma \nabla \times \vec F\cdot d\Sigma$$
 
Rz = (0,0,1) and Rθ = (-asinθ,acosθ,0)
use -Rz because it the bottom face

giving dΣ = (-acosθ,asinθ,0)

therefore the integral is ∫dz (3x,-y,-2(z+y))⋅(-acosθ,asinθ,0)
 
NuclearMeerkat said:
Rz = (0,0,1) and Rθ = (-asinθ,acosθ,0)
use -Rz because it the bottom face

You have two surfaces, the lateral surface and the bottom face. Don't mix them up or combine them.

giving dΣ = (-acosθ,asinθ,0)

therefore the integral is ∫dz (3x,-y,-2(z+y))⋅(-acosθ,asinθ,0)

I assume you are doing the lateral surface here. Your ##d\Sigma## has a sign error and it needs ##d\theta dz##. Also your integral must be in terms of those variables.
 

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