Verify solutions of differential equation

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The discussion revolves around verifying solutions to a second-order differential equation of the form a_{2}y''(x) + a_{1}y'(x) + a_{0}y(x) = 0, particularly focusing on the case when the roots of the associated quadratic equation are equal.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the proposed solution y = xe^{bx} and the subsequent substitution into the differential equation. There are inquiries about the implications of the roots being equal and the relationships between coefficients a_{0}, a_{1}, and a_{2}. Some participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of the roots and the conditions under which they are equal.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and clarifications regarding the relationships between the coefficients and roots of the quadratic equation. There is no explicit consensus, but some productive lines of reasoning have been suggested, particularly regarding the implications of equal roots.

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Participants note potential assumptions and interpretations of the problem statement, including the relationship between the coefficients and the roots of the quadratic equation. There is mention of the need for clarity on the definitions and conditions presented in the problem.

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Consider 2nd order differential equation:

[itex] a_{2}y''(x) + a_{1}y'(x) + a_{0}y(x) = 0[/itex]

Let b and c be the roots of the quadratic [itex]a_{2}x^2 + a_{1}x + a_{0}[/itex]

Verify that when b = c then [itex]xe^{bx}[/itex] is a solution of the Differential equation.
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Ok so I differentiate y a couple times and get

[itex] y = xe^{bx}[/itex]

[itex] y' = xbe^{bx} + e^{bx}[/itex]

[itex] y'' = xb^2e^{bx}+2be^{bx}[/itex]

Substituting into the equation yields:

[itex] a_{2}(xb^2e^{bx}+2be^{bx}) + a_{1}(xbe^{bx} + e^{bx}) + a_{0}(xe^{bx}) = 0[/itex]

Now if I rearrange the quadratic equation for a0
[itex] a_{0} = -a_{2}b^2 - a_{1}b[/itex]

then substituting that in I get

[itex] a_{2}(xb^2e^{bx}+2be^{bx}) + a_{1}(xbe^{bx} + e^{bx}) + (-a_{2}b^2 - a_{1}b)(xe^{bx}) = 0[/itex]

[itex] = a_{2}2be^{bx} + a_{1}e^{bx} = 0[/itex]

This is where I get stuck, there must be something I've missed which I can use to further simplify. I did the proof for [itex]y = e^{bx}[/itex] in the same way and it worked out easy. Can anybody give me a hint on what to do next? thanks
 
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coldturkey said:
Consider 2nd order differential equation:

[itex] a_{2}y'' + a_{1}y' + a_{0}y = 0[/itex]

Let b and c be the roots of the quadratic [itex]a_{2}x^2 + a_{1}x + a_{0}[/itex]

Verify that when b = c then [itex]xe^{bx}[/itex] is a solution of the Differential equation.
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Doesn't that imply that [itex]a_0 = {a_1^2 \over 4 a_2}[/itex]? It does not seem to be what you used.

Also, from th eway the question is posed, the b in the exponent has nothing to do with the b in "the roots are b and c", right?
 
They are the same b and c as I take it.

Where do you get [itex]a_0 = {a_1^2 \over 4 a_2}[/itex] from. I just assumed that it was trying to say [itex]a_{2}b^2 + a_{1}b + a_{0} = 0[/itex]
 
coldturkey said:
They are the same b and c as I take it.

Where do you get [itex]a_0 = {a_1^2 \over 4 a_2}[/itex] from. I just assumed that it was trying to say [itex]a_{2}b^2 + a_{1}b + a_{0} = 0[/itex]

That's not the way I intrepreted the sentence, but I may be wrong.

Consider [itex]a_2 x^2 + a_1 x + a_0[/itex]. The two roots are [itex]x=-{a_1 \over 2} \pm {1 \over 2} {\sqrt{ a_1^2 - 4 a_0 a_2}}[/itex].
Let's call these two roots b and c. If the two roots are equal, then the term under the square root must be zero.

That's the only way I can make sense of "the two roots of the above quadratic are equal".

But I may be completely off. Sorry.
 
nrqed said:
That's not the way I intrepreted the sentence, but I may be wrong.

Consider [itex]a_2 x^2 + a_1 x + a_0[/itex]. The two roots are [itex]x=-{a_1 \over 2} \pm {1 \over 2} {\sqrt{ a_1^2 - 4 a_0 a_2}}[/itex].
Let's call these two roots b and c. If the two roots are equal, then the term under the square root must be zero.

That's the only way I can make sense of "the two roots of the above quadratic are equal".

But I may be completely off. Sorry.

I forgot to divide by a_2 in writing the two roots.

I think this is what they meant to say , it seems to be working (if in addition I assume that the b equal to the unique root is the b appearing in the exponent)
 
nrqed said:
I forgot to divide by a_2 in writing the two roots.

I think this is what they meant to say , it seems to be working (if in addition I assume that the b equal to the unique root is the b appearing in the exponent)

assuming that the sqaure root vanishes, then the single root is -a_1 / 2 a_2. setting this equal to b, one gets a_1 = -2 b a_2.


In addition, imposing a_0 = a_1^2/(4 a_2) gives a_0 = b^2 a_2.

Using those two expressions for a_0 and a_1 in terms of a_2, you will get that everything cancels out.

Patrick
 
ahh i can see what you did now. I'll have a crack at it, thanks for your help
 

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