Vertical Projectile Motion Problem

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The problem involves vertical projectile motion, where two balls are thrown from a balcony at different velocities: one downwards and one upwards. The discussion centers around calculating flight times, velocities upon impact, and the distance between the two balls after a specific time interval.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to calculate the flight time difference, final velocities, and separation distance of the balls. There are attempts to verify calculations and clarify the use of signs in equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively checking each other's calculations and questioning assumptions regarding the heights and velocities of the balls. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of signs in the equations, but no consensus has been reached on the final answers.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions of positive and negative heights based on the balcony's position, which affects the calculations. Some participants express confusion about the correct application of the equations and the resulting values.

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Homework Statement



Please check my work.

Two students are on a balcony 19.6m above the ground. One guy throws a ball vertically downwards at 14.7m/s; at the same time the other guy throws a second ball vertically upwards at the same speed. The second ball just misses the balcony on the way down.

2.3.1) What is the difference in the balls flight time?
2.3.2) What is the velocity of each ball as they strike the ground?
2.3.3) How far apart are the balls 0.8s after they are thrown?

Homework Equations



vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a*y
delta y = vi*t + 1/2*a*t^2
delta y = vf+vi/2 * t
vf = vi + a*t

The Attempt at a Solution



2.3.1) For the ball thrown upwards I decided to first find the maximum height it reached. I used the first equation from the list and got an answer of 11.03m. I then used the third equation to find the time and got 1.5s (another 1.5s for coming down=3s). I then worked out the time for the ball thrown downwards to be 1s. My final answer for the difference in flight time is 4-1=3s.

2.3.2) Each ball would strike the ground at the same speed.
vf = vi+a*t
= 14.7+9.8*1
= 144.06m/s

2.3.3) Using the heights of the two, I worked the distance for the first ball to be 8.624m and the second ball to be 14.896m. Subtracting the two would give a distance of 6.272m as my final answer.

All I am asking is for someone to please check my work because I am not sure if I have approached this problem in the correct way.
 
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TheRedDevil18 said:
1. 2.3.3) Using the heights of the two, I worked the distance for the first ball to be 8.624m and the second ball to be 14.896m. Subtracting the two would give a distance of 6.272m as my final answer.

All I am asking is for someone to please check my work because I am not sure if I have approached this problem in the correct way.


Check the number in red above! Otherwise all is good.
 
I think the first ball should be 14.896 and the second ball 8.624. Is that my mistake?
 
TheRedDevil18 said:
1.

= 14.7+9.8*1 = 144.06m/s

Using the heights of the two, I worked the distance for the first ball to be 8.624m and the second ball to be 14.896m. Subtracting the two would give a distance of 6.272m as my final answer.

All I am asking is for someone to please check my work because I am not sure if I have approached this problem in the correct way.


Check the items in red above!
 
Ok I am a bit confused, but this is how I got 14.896m:
delta y = 14.7*0.8 + 1/2(9.8)*0.8^2
= 14.896m

Is there something I did wrong?
 
TheRedDevil18 said:
Ok I am a bit confused, but this is how I got 14.896m:
delta y = 14.7*0.8 + 1/2(9.8)*0.8^2
= 14.896m

Is there something I did wrong?

Should that number be + or -?
 
If the answer should be negative, Why?
 
TheRedDevil18 said:
If the answer should be negative, Why?

Because when you came up with y1 = +8.624m you defined y = 0 to be the balcony height, so anything below the balcony is negative. It should also be obvious that the second ball will be lower in height than the first, not higher as you had it.

So y1 = vi*t - gt^2/2 = 8.624m (ball tossed up but g is down)
y2 = -vi*t - gt^2/2 = -14.896m (ball tossed down & g is down)
y1 - y2 = 2vi*t = you fill this one in!

Just keep track of signs & you'll be fine.
 
So the final answer is 23.52m apart?
 
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TheRedDevil18 said:
So the final answer is 23.52m apart?

Yep.
 
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Ok, thanks for your help
 

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