Virginia Tech Shootings: Eyewitness Reports & Updates

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A tragic shooting at Virginia Tech resulted in at least 31 deaths, making it the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The incident involved two separate locations on campus, with reports indicating the shooter may have acted alone. Discussions highlight the role of gun culture and media coverage in perpetuating violence, with some arguing that sensational reporting could inspire future incidents. The conversation also touches on societal attitudes towards masculinity and violence, questioning whether these cultural factors contribute to such tragedies. The motivations behind the shooter's actions remain unclear, emphasizing the need for careful consideration before drawing conclusions.
  • #101
Integral said:
Obviously you simply do not understand what this country is about. Individual rights IS the single most important thing we have. I am appalled at the willingness of people to sacrifice rights for imagined safety.

I for one am sure glad that you do not have a vote here.

When does the right of one individual over-ride the rights of the many he murdered? Get real. The root of the problem lies in giving easy access to dangerous weapons to any dog & its aunty.

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  • #102
A gun ban in this country would in all likelyhood cost many many lives. This is a sacred cow that best not be touched. Those proposing such a ban are tantamount to gluttons. The carnage yesterday was not enough for them ... they want more of the same, but on a greater scale, for it don't take a rocket scientist to figure the ramifications of such a ban. You think everyone will turn their pop gun in? That's when the secret militia forms! Thats when it's open season on the politician. Will you feel safer then?
 
  • #103
And those from other countries need to understand that the entire basis of this country is that our founders didn't like the way government ran where they came from and wanted something different, and those of us who choose to continue to live here do value our freedoms above all else. We don't want to be just like you. You are as free as your government allows you to be in choosing how your country is run and to demand whatever laws you want to have where you are. Likewise, do NOT tell us what laws we should or shouldn't have or what rights we should or shouldn't have in our own country. It is not selfishness to hold individual rights in the highest regard; it is the best way we know to protect the society as a whole from dictators who would trample the basic rights that are the basis of human dignity.
Hate to burst your Bubble, but it IS selfish to think of only ME ME ME ME. MY individual freedoms, MY right to carry weapons, MY right to do this that and the other thing...
Again the *dictators* nonsense, America being taken over by a Dictator. Just look at your recent (last 100 years) History to see how absurd that sounds.
Your gun laws perhaps would have stopped that happening a few hundred years ago, but not now. Plus the chance of that happening are between 0 and nill and nill just left town.
 
  • #104
Hate to burst your Bubble, but it IS selfish to think of only ME ME ME ME. MY individual freedoms
I resemble that remark. This is the example of a true patriot. You should be so proud. What do you propose ... Mein Kampf?
 
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  • #105
mattmns said:
Wow that is crazy! Why did no one attempt to take down the gunman? I can't say exactly what I would do in the situation, since I was not in it, but I would probably try to take the guy down. Why not? If I die, well then I don't have to worry about school :smile: and if I am successful then I am a hero :smile:

If you consider airplane evacuations as a somewhat similar event, the natural response is shock and disbelief that the event's actually happened. Most passengers typically remain seated until either the flight attendents give them guidance or other passengers start evacuating.

Even after a person starts moving, their thought process still jumps back and forth between irrelevant 'normal' options and more relevant response to the crisis at hand. In fact, about half of passengers try to take their carry-on baggage with them during real emergency evacuations.

Both situations are similar in that the people involved have had virtually no training. Airline passengers get the pre-flight safety briefing, but almost no one listens. Fortunately, people sitting in an exit row are more likely to listen to the safety briefing and read the safety card. Almost half of the people sitting in the exit row have at least some clue how the exit should open. Fewer know when to open the exit (in a couple cases a passenger opened or attempted to open an emergency exit when flames were present outside the exit - in one case, passengers actually evacuated through flames with several receiving severe burns).

I think you can virtually guarantee none of the students had ever received a briefing on what to do if a gunman suddenly entered the room and started firing. Recovering their senses quickly enough to jump out of a window is a pretty exceptional response in that situation. Enough students recovering their senses and coming up with a group plan is just unrealistic.

However, in emergency evacuations from planes, every once in a while a person does take some responsibility for themselves and the group and act quite heroically to help speed up the evacuation. You might get someone like that in a mad gunman scenario, but having even one person react that way would be pretty exceptional.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2000/SS0001.pdf

Not particularly scientific, but a pretty riveting article by one of the survivors of Flight 1420 in Little Rock. Their plane slid off the runway and down an embankment and caught fire. Passengers evacuated the plane in total darkness (the emergency lighting didn't work) into a swampy field in the middle of a hail storm. Since they slid off the runway, controllers weren't expecting an emergency landing. It took 45 minutes for emergency personnel to respond. AA Flight 1420
 
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  • #106
I resemble that remark. This is the example of a true patriot. You should be so proud.
Welcome, this makes me happy someone who sees a spade for a spade and accepts what he/she is.
What do you propose ... Mein Kampf?
Are you calling me a Nazi? The Nazi's were all for individual freedoms for the elite without any care for society as a whole. Kettle pot black. Is this board a true representation of people from the USA? Because you really do have a very paranoid fear of Dictators taking your country, perhaps the Neo-con's had a point :wink:
 
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  • #107
Anttech said:
Welcome, this makes me happy someone who sees a spade for a spade and accepts what he/she is.

I have no problem with who I am. There are some things worth dieing for. Your individual freedom is one of them. That also means killing for the sake of it. WWII was an expression of it.
 
  • #108
Expression of what?

ohh wait you mean we weren't fighting for each other

*we will fight them on the beaches, we will never surrender*

we were in fact fight for our selfish wants
 
  • #109
Expression of what?

You just don't get it do you?
 
  • #110
Castlegate said:
You just don't get it do you?

He (she?) really doesn't.
 
  • #111
Castlegate said:
You just don't get it do you?
I do, but I don't agree with it. Cant you accept that?

I don't believe individual freedoms LIKE owning Guns are a right we NEED to have in the 21st century. It seems to me you just don't get it. You not being allowed to have them is NOT an encroachment of your freedom. My grandfathers did not die in WW2 for people to own guns. They died for our freedom from far right facism, our being allowed to express ourself (like this bulletin Board). Our not being sent to death camps for what we believe in. MY grandfathers did not die for us to be allowed to carry weapons that harm society.

Its you that doesn't get it, if you think that not owning a Gun is going to make you less free.
 
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  • #112
Anttech said:
You not being allowed to have them is NOT an encroachment of your freedom.

Yes, it is.
 
  • #113
Anttech said:
I do, but I don't agree with it. Cant you accept that?

I don't believe individual freedoms LIKE owning Guns are a right we NEED to have in the 21st century. It seems to me you just don't get it. You not being allowed to have them is NOT an encroachment of your freedom.

Well here in the US the right to bare arms is a constitutional right, and I'm a 100% certain that a majority of US citizens still support that right. Any attempt by legislatures to ban weapons at this time would be considered an encroachment on that very freedoms we hold so dearly. This would not be a time to drop your weapons, but a time to bare arms. This in itself is worth dieing for. Get it?
 
  • #114
Is it an encroachment of your freedom if I tell you, you arent allowed to shoot me?
 
  • #115
Castlegate said:
Well here in the US the right to bare arms is a constitutional right, and I'm a 100% certain that a majority of US citizens still support that right. Any attempt by legislatures to ban weapons at this time would be considered an encroachment on that very freedoms we hold so dearly. This would not be a time to drop your weapons, but a time to bare arms. This in itself is worth dieing for. Get it?
I always got it. You are singing to the choir, it seems to me you haven't even bothered to read ANY of my posts on this issue..
 
  • #116
This has gotten out of hand.

Far worse incidents have happened outside the US.

"More than 200 people are dead and hundreds more are injured after special forces battle militants who had taken hostages at a Russian school. A group of mostly Chechen gunmen had been holding an estimated 1,000 or more captives, far more than official estimates of 450 hostages."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3888681
 
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