Virtual Ground Voltage Reference

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of a virtual ground voltage reference in an Arduino voltage logger project that incorporates an op-amp (OP27G). Participants explore the implications of using a virtual ground for measuring voltages from various sources, as well as alternative op-amp options.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the voltage logger will function correctly if the op-amp is powered by a virtual ground circuit, suggesting that the measured voltages must also be referenced to that virtual ground.
  • Another participant expresses concerns about floating grounds, suggesting that they can be problematic and recommends considering the LM324 family of op-amps, which can handle input voltages that include ground.
  • A participant mentions using an LM324 to shift input signals to a reference voltage before further processing.
  • One participant notes the temperature range limitations of the LM324 and suggests the LM2902 as an alternative for industrial applications.
  • Another participant humorously acknowledges that if temperatures exceed the commercial range, there would be larger issues than just the op-amp.
  • One participant reiterates their negative experiences with offset ground references, stating that they have not had success with them except in simple MOS circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of using a virtual ground reference, with some cautioning against it due to past experiences, while others explore alternative op-amp options. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the voltage logger.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential complications with floating grounds and the importance of temperature ranges for op-amps, but do not resolve these issues or provide definitive solutions.

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I'm building an Arduino voltage logger that includes an op-amp (OP27G) as a buffer on the input. Since I'd like to be able to measure voltages all the way down to zero, I want to power the amp with a bipolar supply. My initial thought was to build the rail-splitter below so I wouldn't have to come up with two discreet (plus and minus) supplies.
http://www.goldpt.com/virtual_ground_circuit.html

My question is, if I power the OP27 with the virtual ground circuit above, then the voltage logger won't function correctly unless the voltage I'm trying to measure is also referenced to that virtual ground? I was hoping to use the logger to record voltages from various sources.
 
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I've found floating grounds like that to be problematic. Have you looked at the LM324 family of opamps? Its input voltage range includes ground. I use an LM324 input opamp stage to shift the input signal up to some reference voltage first, and then process the signal from there...
 
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Thanks. The virtual ground circuit is a neat idea, but I'd like to avoid the complexity if possible.
 
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Thanks. If temperatures exceed the commercial range for me, I'll have bigger problems than the amp :-)
 
LOL :biggrin:
 
berkeman said:
I've found floating grounds like that to be problematic.
I've never had anything to work correctly with an offset ground reference. Well, maybe a simple MOS circuit could work with one.
 
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