Viscosity & Pressure: Can Hydraulic Resistance Prevent Boiling?

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The discussion revolves around whether hydraulic resistance in a tube can prevent the boiling of a viscous fluid, specifically paraffin, when subjected to a vacuum and heating until it reaches a nozzle. The scope includes theoretical considerations of fluid dynamics, phase changes, and the behavior of liquids under varying pressure conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if hydraulic resistance can prevent the fluid from boiling until it reaches the nozzle.
  • Another participant suggests that any vapor pressure of the fluid would lead to evaporation against a vacuum over time, implying that high resistance would only slow the flow.
  • A different participant clarifies that if the fluid is contained such that only the nozzle is exposed to vacuum, boiling may not occur back in the tank, depending on hydrostatic pressure relative to vapor pressure.
  • One participant relates the scenario to the function of an expansion valve in a heat pump, noting that the low-pressure side is not a perfect vacuum but close to it.
  • A participant emphasizes the role of viscosity and the conditions under which boiling might be prevented by hydraulic resistance until the fluid reaches the chamber.
  • There is a discussion about the characteristics of the fluid, with one participant suggesting that the fluid might behave more like a gas under certain conditions.
  • Another participant identifies paraffin as the fluid in question, noting its high boiling temperature and viscosity.
  • One participant expresses doubt that paraffin oil can expand significantly without transitioning to a gas phase, suggesting it will produce fumes while boiling under vacuum conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of hydraulic resistance on boiling and the behavior of paraffin under vacuum. There is no consensus on whether boiling can be entirely prevented or the extent to which the fluid can remain in a liquid state.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the definition of a liquid and the conditions under which boiling occurs, which may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the behavior of viscous fluids in vacuum conditions.

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I made a simple diagram. My question is, in the picture, can the hydraulic resistance of the tube connecting the fluid to the vacuum chamber prevent boiling of the fluid until it reaches the nozzle?
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So you're asking if the tube can keep the fluid from flowing/boiling away?

I'd say any vapor pressure of the fluid would be enough to evaporate it all against a vacuum, over time.

If the resistance were too high, it would just flow out more slowly, no?
 
I assume here that your fluid must be a liquid since it is boiling (make sure you are careful with the term fluid; gases and plasmas are fluids, too). That said, if your fluid from the tank stretches all the way up to the nozzle already such that the only surface exposed to vacuum is the nozzle and that condition was maintained, then I don't see why you would observe boiling all the way back in the tank. You would probably observe boiling only as deep as it takes before hydrostatic pressure is greater than the vapor pressure. I don't see fluid resistance as being relative here. If the fluid is just sitting in the tank with vacuum in that entire tube before it, then yes, I would imagine the tank liquid would boil.
 
What you are describing is one of the 4 elements required in a heat pump or air conditioner--the expansion valve. "Expansion valve" misnamed. It's a restriction in the circuit as you've depicted in your drawing. The low pressure side is not a good vacuum, but it's fairly close to your schematic.

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The fluid is viscous and through heating and the establishment of a vacuum, it finally reaches the nozzle. I am trying to understand if I can prevent boiling with hydraulic resistance until it reaches the chamber? More importantly could atomization occur with ideal temperatures even though the fluid is moving slowly?
 
So its an expanding liquid?
 
Expanding because of heating and because of the vacuum pump
 
I understand -- which liquid expands significantly?

Hint: The fluid you are imagining is probably more like a gas.
 
I'm imagining paraffin. It is both viscous and high boiling temps.
 
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And the question is then whether paraffin oil can expand significantly up that column you drew, without going into gas phase. No (at least I doubt it, given the definition of a liquid). Basically the oil will sit in the tank, giving off fumes that you vacuum away. It will continue to do so since you keep heating it. Considering you have a vacuum it will boil as well, so long as you are not so deep in the oil that the static pressure overwhelms the vapor pressure, as aformentioned.

Feel free to correct me if you see an error in my reasoning!
 

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