Visual effects of SR versus GR

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the visual effects experienced when traveling at high speeds in a spaceship, specifically comparing the implications of special relativity (SR) and general relativity (GR). It examines whether acceleration produces any distinct visual effects attributable to GR, assuming the absence of significant gravitational influences like black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether there are visual effects from GR that are not accounted for by SR, particularly in the context of high-speed travel without proximity to large gravity wells.
  • One participant suggests that acceleration does produce visual effects, but argues these effects are still within the realm of SR.
  • Another participant proposes that a renderer based on SR equations could serve as a good approximation for visual effects, provided that large gravity wells are avoided.
  • There is mention of the need to differentiate between SR & GR effects and signal delay effects, with a recommendation for resources that visualize these concepts.
  • A later reply confirms that SR can adequately handle effects from acceleration, while GR introduces additional effects related to gravitation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent to which GR contributes unique visual effects compared to SR, with some asserting that SR suffices under certain conditions, while others suggest GR's role is significant. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise impact of acceleration and the adequacy of SR for rendering visual effects in high-speed scenarios.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the effects of acceleration and the definitions of visual phenomena in the context of SR and GR. The implications of signal delay effects are also noted but not fully explored.

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If you are traveling very very fast in a space ship, are there any visual effects produced by general relativity that you wouldn't see from just special relativity?
Assuming we don't get close to large gravity wells like black holes.

Does the acceleration of the ship produce any visual effects due to GR? As SR doesn't care about acceleration, just velocity.

In other words, if I wrote a renderer based on special relativity, would it look wrong as I flew around in space near light speed?

Thanks.
 
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TGlad said:
Does the acceleration of the ship produce any visual effects due to GR? As SR doesn't care about acceleration, just velocity.
Acceleration of ship certainly produce rather weird and counterintuitive effects but they are still SR effects.

There is video that might give some idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQnHTKZBTI4"
 
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Great link.
I suppose that acceleration still affects the visual in SR because the ships motion changes during the duration of each light path.

So, could we conclude that a renderer based on SR (Lorentz) equations would be a good approximation to the real (GR) effect, if we stay clear of large gravity wells?
 
The best website dealing with SR & GR effects visualization is probably:
http://www.spacetimetravel.org/

You have to differentiate between SR & GR effects on the one hand, and signal delay effects on the other. The 4D ray tracers they use naturally incorporate both aspects. Here some of their publications:
http://www.sfb716.uni-stuttgart.de/uploads/tx_vispublications/vis05-weiskopf-relativity.pdf
http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/563/1/289/pdf/0004-637X_563_1_289.pdf
http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/TVCG.2006.69
 
TGlad said:
If you are traveling very very fast in a space ship, are there any visual effects produced by general relativity that you wouldn't see from just special relativity?
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So, could we conclude that a renderer based on SR (Lorentz) equations would be a good approximation to the real (GR) effect, if we stay clear of large gravity wells?

Yes indeed: SR perfectly handles effects from acceleration, GR only adds effects from gravitation.
 
Thanks
 

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