Voltage ratings of Li-Ion batteries

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the voltage ratings of lithium-ion batteries, specifically why a battery rated at 3.7V is charged to a higher voltage of 4.1 or 4.2V. Participants explore the implications of these ratings, the behavior of chargers, and the design considerations behind battery and charger specifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Pascal questions why lithium-ion batteries are rated at 3.7V when they are charged to 4.1 or 4.2V, suggesting a potential misrepresentation in the ratings.
  • Participants note that battery chemistries have unique discharge curves and charging needs, emphasizing that batteries are designed to maximize performance rather than maintain a constant voltage.
  • Ramone discusses the behavior of his phone charger, which is rated at 5V but outputs 4.85V without load, raising questions about the phone's inability to start without the battery connected.
  • There is speculation about whether the phone charger’s higher voltage rating compensates for internal resistance in the battery.
  • Another participant explains that the nominal voltage combined with rated mAh determines the total energy capacity of the battery, and mentions that devices often have regulators to handle varying input voltages.
  • Concerns are raised about the risks of overcharging and the design considerations that prioritize battery longevity in smartphones compared to other devices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding battery ratings and charger specifications, with no clear consensus reached on the reasons behind the voltage ratings or the implications of using chargers with different voltage outputs.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of battery chemistry and design, but specific assumptions about the relationship between voltage ratings and performance are not fully explored or resolved.

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Dear Experts

I bought a lithium-ion battery rated at 3.7v.

I charge it with my existing phone charger rated for 3.7v batteries and charging at 4.2V.

i like to know why are batteries are rated like this. That is, a 3.7V rated battery is actually charged to 4.1 or 4.2 when its considered 100% fully charged. So, why is it not rated at 4.2v?

Why the misrepresentation? Of course, I am assuming there is misrepresentation.

And yes, I understand that you need a higher voltage to charge to a voltage that is near but lower than that voltage. So my question is on the choice of the rating and not the reason for using higher voltage to charge a battery rated lower.

Thank you for reading.

Best regards
Pascal
 
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Constant current discharge curve for a Li-Ion cell:

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It's understood within the industry that all battery chemistries have their own discharge curve. They also have idiosyncrasies regarding their needs during charging and discharging.
With the exception of reference cells, batteries are not intended to hold a constant voltage - their intended to maximize their performance at supply energy or power.
 
@gnurf

Thank you gnurf for letting me know about the curve.

@Mike In Plano
Thank you as well.

My apologies. My phone charger is rated at output voltage 5V , 1 amp.
I measured the charger without load, the output voltage was actually 4.85v.

I took out my phone and with this 4.85V, I directly connect to the phone's terminals of the li-ion battery compartment.

The phone does not start without the battery. I checked again, the charger cable is supplying 4.85v. So, I wonder :

1. Is it that the phone did not start up when connected like that because the voltage was too high? That is , the standard phone battery is rated at 3.7v to be charged by 4.2v.

2. Given the phone li-ion battery is rated at 3.7v requiring a charging voltage of 4.2v, why is the phone charger rated at output 5v? Is it to compensate for the loss due to battery internal resistance?

Thanks for reading.

Best regards
Ramone (Pascal is my nickname :) )
 
Also - from a ratings perspective, we use batteries for energy, not just supply a voltage, so the Nominal Voltage combined with the Rated mAh = total energy that the battery is rated for.

As for the charger - the phone or battery module itself, may have a V and I regulator integrated - and is rated for 5V input ( notice this is also the USB voltage - so most cell phones are prepared for 5V - and regulate themselves) . Overcharging these is a problem ( hazard) and they put some effort into this aspect of the design.
For a cell phone - more value is placed in the longevity of the battery - for a household cordless phone -- cost - cost - cost- so they may just provide a cheaper charger.
So many factors in product design...
 

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