Voltmeter reading in a parallel circuit with two batteries

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a circuit involving two batteries connected in parallel, with a focus on determining the voltmeter reading. The batteries are described as having negligible internal resistance, and the voltmeter is noted to have very high resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore Kirchhoff's rules and the implications of the voltmeter's high resistance on current flow. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the currents I1 and I3, and attempts are made to apply calculations based on voltage and resistance.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering calculations and questioning assumptions about current flow in the circuit. Some guidance is provided regarding the need to consider the entire loop for analysis, and there is a recognition of the relationship between the currents.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the voltmeter's resistance and the setup of the circuit, with some calculations leading to different interpretations of the current values.

moenste
Messages
711
Reaction score
12

Homework Statement


In the circuit below the batteries have negligible internal resistance and the voltmeter V has a very high resistance. What would be the reading of the voltmeter?

ccd53ec942ce.jpg


Answer: 9.6 V.

2. The attempt at a solution
I used the Kirchhoff's rule: the current that flows from 10 V is I1, current that flows to the voltmeter is (I1 - I3) and the current that flows into the 8 V is I3. So I got 10 - 8 = 4 I3 + 1 I1 and 10 = RV (I1 - I3) + 1 I1. But this doesn't look like it can be solved. We have R which I don't what to do with it. Any ideas please?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The voltmeter has a high resistance (ideally infinite resistance) so it passes no current. What does that tell you about the relationship between ##I_1## and ##I_3##?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: moenste
gneill said:
The voltmeter has a high resistance (ideally infinite resistance) so it passes no current. What does that tell you about the relationship between ##I_1## and ##I_3##?
That I1 - I3 = 0?

I also calculated: I = V / R = 10 / 1 = 10 A and so V1 = 10 * 1 = 10 V and I = 8 / 4 = 2 A, so V2 = 8 V.
 
moenste said:
That I1 - I3 = 0?
Sure, or in other words, ##I_1 = I_3##. So there's really only one current:
upload_2016-9-30_8-44-46.png

I also calculated: I = V / R = 10 / 1 = 10 A and so V1 = 10 * 1 = 10 V and I = 8 / 4 = 2 A, so V2 = 8 V.
No, you need to take the entire loop into consideration in order to determine the current. Write KVL around the loop and solve for the current.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: moenste
gneill said:
Sure, or in other words, ##I_1 = I_3##. So there's really only one current:
View attachment 106742

No, you need to take the entire loop into consideration in order to determine the current. Write KVL around the loop and solve for the current.
Don't we get 10 - 8 = 4 * I + 1 * I → 2 = 5 * I → I = 0.4 A?
 
moenste said:
Don't we get 10 - 8 = 4 * I + 1 * I → 2 = 5 * I → I = 0.4 A?
Looks good.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: moenste
gneill said:
Looks good.
And then we have V = I R + 0.4 * 1 = 0.4 V or 0.4 * 4 = 1.6 V. And then either 10 - 0.4 = 9.6 V or 8 + 1.6 = 9.6 V. Should be correct.
 
Yes.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: moenste

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
22
Views
4K
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
839
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
758
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K