Volume integral, how do I find the limits for my integral?

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The discussion revolves around determining the limits for a volume integral based on inequalities derived from a given region. The problem appears to involve multiple variables and their relationships, specifically in the context of a mathematical course.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to establish the limits for the integral, including squaring inequalities and considering substitutions. Questions arise about the implications of derived inequalities and the validity of certain manipulations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the correctness of certain steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between the variables, but no consensus has been reached on the limits for the integral.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the Jacobian in substitutions and the implications of the inequalities derived from the original problem statement.

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Hi, does anyone know how to find the integral that needs to be evaluated here? I can't understand how to find it from the region

edit: Oh and this is from here, not a take home test
http://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/courses/course/12489/material
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First off I would square everything to obtain:

<br /> a^{2}\leqslant yz\leqslant b^{2},\quad a^{2}\leqslant xy\leqslant b^{2},\quad a^{2}\leqslant xz\leqslant b^{2}<br />

Then I would take the first away from the second to obtain:

<br /> 0\leqslant y(x-z)\leqslant 0<br />

Now what does this say?
 
So does this imply that z<x<z, therefore x=z?
 
I tried the substitution of X=yz, Y=xy, Z=xz
I came out with an answer, but it was extremely messy, due to the Jacobian
 
Well it says that as y>0 then x=z, and you have a\leqslant x\leqslant b
 
ok.. so considering limits for dx,dy,dz

z is between a and b
y is between a^2/z and b^2/z
but what could be do for x?
 
hunt_mat said:
First off I would square everything to obtain:

<br /> a^{2}\leqslant yz\leqslant b^{2},\quad a^{2}\leqslant xy\leqslant b^{2},\quad a^{2}\leqslant xz\leqslant b^{2}<br />

Then I would take the first away from the second to obtain:

<br /> 0\leqslant y(x-z)\leqslant 0<br />

Now what does this say?

I don't think that is correct. The inequalities a^2 <= xy and a^2 <= xz cannot be
usefully subtracted to get 0 <= x(y-z); for example, 1 <= A and 1 <= B says nothing
about the sign of (A-B). Instead, we can write a^2 <= xy and -b^2 <= -xz, so
*adding* these gives a^2 - b^2 <= x(y-z). Similarly we have
b^2 >= xy and -a^2 >= -xz so
b^2 - a^2 >= x(y-z). Altogether we have -(b^2-a^2) <= x(y-z) <= b^2-a^2, which
does not seem very useful.

RGV
 

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