Volume integral with two intersecting shapes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the volume contained by two intersecting shapes using a double integral. Participants explore the formulation of the integral, the correct variables to use, and the steps involved in solving it. The conversation includes elements of mathematical reasoning and technical explanation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral to find the volume but expresses difficulty in solving it, specifically questioning the best approach.
  • Another participant points out potential issues with the original integral, suggesting that the variable 'u' may not belong and questioning the use of 'r' and 'theta'.
  • A later reply clarifies the integral should not include 'u' and suggests focusing on one integral at a time, specifically recommending to perform the 'r' integral first.
  • One participant shares their experience with the first integral but struggles with the second integral after substituting limits, leading to a more complex expression.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the absence of a sine term when converting to polar coordinates, indicating a potential oversight in the formulation.
  • There is a mention of spherical coordinates and their relationship to the volume calculation, highlighting the complexity of the problem.
  • Participants reflect on the original question regarding the volume under a sphere and above a cylinder, acknowledging the possibility of mistakes in deriving the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation of the integral or the steps to solve it. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the variables and the integration process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the correct setup of the integral, the inclusion of certain variables, and the application of coordinate transformations. Participants express confusion about the integration limits and the necessity of additional terms in the volume calculation.

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The question I am dealing with has to do with the volume contained by two intersecting shapes I have created this integral and can't find a reasonable way of solving it. What is the best approach to solve this:


\int_{r=0}^{\pi/2}\int_{u=0}^{2\cos\theta} \sqrt{9-r^2} * r drdu=
 
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bobsmiters said:
The question I am dealing with has to do with the volume contained by two intersecting shapes I have created this integral and can't find a reasonable way of solving it. What is the best approach to solve this:

Hi bobsmiters! :smile:

\int_{r=0}^{\pi/2}\int_{u=0}^{2\cos\theta} \sqrt{9-r^2} * r drdu=

Your integral doesn't look right. You have u r and theta, but only two ∫s. :confused:

Do you mean
\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi/2}\int_{u=0}^{2\cos\theta} ?

If so, where does r come into it?

I hope r is right, because
\int \sqrt{9-r^2} * r dr is very easy … :smile:
 
bobsmiters said:
The question I am dealing with has to do with the volume contained by two intersecting shapes I have created this integral and can't find a reasonable way of solving it. What is the best approach to solve this:


\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi/2}\int_{r=0}^{2\cos\theta} \sqrt{9-r^2} * r drd\theta=

There wasn't supposed to be a 'u' in the question
 
… one integral at a time …

bobsmiters said:
There wasn't supposed to be a 'u' in the question

ah! … that makes more sense! :smile:

right … when we do double integrals, we always do one integral at a time.

In this case, do the r integral first.

What is ∫r√(9-r^2)dr?

It's actually quite easy if t you think about it. :smile:
 
\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\int_{r=0}^{2\cos\theta} \sqrt{9-r^2} * r drd\theta=

The first integral didn't cause me much of a problem, however when I insert the 2cos(theta) and the '0' I can't figure out how to work through the second integral.

I ended up with:

\int_{\theta=0}^{\pi}\sqrt{(9-4\cos^2\theta)^3} / (-3) +9 d\theta=
 
Hi bobsmiters! :smile:

hmm … don't like the look of that …

I'll have a think about it later, but before I do …

You got this ∫∫drdtheta yourself, didn't you?

I was a little surprised when I first saw it because usually when you convert to polar coordinates, you get an extra sintheta for free (because dxdy = sintheta dr dtheta).
(and then I got confused by the du, and forgot about it :confused:)

And that extra sintheta tends to make things much easier.

Are you sure there shouldn't be a sintheta?
 
You're thinking of spherical coordinates.

dA = dxdy = rdrdtheta
dV = dxdydz = r^2sin(theta)dr*dtheta*dphi
 
The original question read: Find the volume of the solid that lies under x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 9, above the xy-plane and inside the cylinder x^2 + y^2 = 2x.

It is possible that I made a mistake somewhere in getting to that integral.
 
Vid said:
You're thinking of spherical coordinates.

dA = dxdy = rdrdtheta
dV = dxdydz = r^2sin(theta)dr*dtheta*dphi

Indeed I am! :smile:
bobsmiters said:
The original question read: Find the volume of the solid that lies under x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 9, above the xy-plane and inside the cylinder x^2 + y^2 = 2x.

It is possible that I made a mistake somewhere in getting to that integral.

Hi bobsmiters! :smile:

I'm confused … how did you get that … what is your r? :confused:
 

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