Watching an aeroplane through a window

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the absolute velocity of an airplane observed through a window. Participants explore the relationship between the perceived speed of the airplane's image on the window and its actual speed, considering factors such as distance and angles relative to the window.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes measuring the time it takes for the airplane's image to travel a known distance on the window to calculate its speed, suggesting the use of similar triangles for this estimation.
  • Another participant agrees that triangles should suffice for the calculation.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of the situation if the airplane's flight direction is not parallel to the window, indicating that additional considerations may be necessary.
  • A participant clarifies that if the flight is parallel to the window, the triangles method is adequate, but questions how to approach the problem if the airplane is moving toward or away from the window.
  • It is suggested that two distances would be needed for the calculation if the airplane's path is not parallel to the window.
  • A detailed mathematical expression for calculating speed is provided, incorporating various parameters such as window width, distance from the viewer to the window, angle of flight, and measured time. The expression highlights potential issues with large angles leading to infinite speed calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the problem based on the airplane's flight direction relative to the window. While some agree on the use of triangles for parallel motion, others indicate that the situation becomes more complicated with non-parallel motion, suggesting that no consensus has been reached on the best approach for all scenarios.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the airplane's distance and the angles involved, which may not be universally applicable. The mathematical expression provided may have limitations based on the defined parameters and conditions.

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As I was sitting at work the other day productively watching an aeroplane fly across the window I started to think of this problem.

If I measure the time it takes for the image of the plane to track across a known distance on the window I can quickly calculate a speed at which the image is travelling. Assuming I know the distance of the plane, how can I extrapolate its absolute velocity?

Is it as simple as using similar triangles to estimate the absolute distance that the plane has traveled in the measured time and calculating from that or do I need to get reference frames involved?

Obviously this approach assumes I can accurately estimate how far away a plane is...
 
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Triangles should be enough.
 
If the flight direction is not parallel with the window, things may go a little more complicated.
 
I was assuming that the travel was parallel to the window, in which case my triangles method is good enough.

If it were going into or away from the window, how would I go about it? I used to be pretty hot at transforming between different coordinate systems in 2d solid mechanics but dynamics was never my strong suit.
 
Still a triangle, just you will need two distances - one for each side of the window.
 
If you have the following data:

W: window width,
h: the distance from the viewer to the window,
β: the angle between the flight direction and the window ( positive angle when it is getting away from and negative when its coming toward the window)

t: the measured time
L: the distance from the viewer to the plane when it first appears in the window frame,

then for the speed v, you would come up with the following expression:

v=[itex]\frac{4hWL}{t\sqrt{W^{2}+4h^{2}}}[/itex][itex]\frac{1}{4hcosβ-Wsinβ}[/itex]

It can be seen that for some large angles, v becomes infinite. This is because the plane doesn't disappear from the one sides of the window.
 

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