How Long to Drain a Cubic Mile of Water Through a One Square Inch Opening?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the time required to drain a cubic mile of water through a one square inch opening, focusing on theoretical approaches and calculations related to fluid dynamics, particularly using Torricelli's theorem and Bernoulli's theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using Torricelli's theorem to calculate the exit velocity of water and mentions the need to continuously recalculate due to changing height.
  • Another participant suggests a formula for time to drain based on cross-sectional area, opening area, and initial height, asking for consistency with the initial analysis.
  • Several participants provide estimates for the time to drain, with one estimating around 2312 years and another calculating approximately 2100 years using the proposed formula.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their calculations, reporting a different estimate of 21005.32 years and seeking confirmation on this result.
  • Another participant mentions obtaining an estimate of about 2300 years and advises checking units carefully.
  • A different approach is suggested, applying Bernoulli's theorem and emphasizing the importance of unit conversion.
  • One participant discusses the average velocity and introduces a coefficient of discharge, suggesting that the total time may increase due to system dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying estimates for the time to drain the water, indicating some level of agreement on the general timeframe being in the range of 2000 to 2300 years, but there are discrepancies in specific calculations and methods used, leading to unresolved differences in estimates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of continuously recalculating height and checking units, indicating potential limitations in their calculations. There is also mention of assumptions regarding the coefficient of discharge and its impact on the overall time estimate.

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Neglecting evaporation, if you have a cubic mile of water (1 mile by 1 mile by 1 mile) how long would it take to drain if at the bottom there is a one square inch opening?

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I am verifying my answer

Why don't you at least tell us how you arrived at your answer? :)
 
Well barring evaporation, I used Toricelli's theorem. Velocity = the sqr root of 2gh. THis gave me the exit velocity at the opening.
Realizing that flow rate is equal to velocity time area of the opening, we can solve for time to drain a certain amount of the tank. The problem is h (height of the fluid) is constantly changing so the formula must be continueously recalculated.
I have a number, I just want to see how close I actually am with my estimation.
 
I think you should get something like:

t = \frac {2A}{a} \sqrt {\frac {H}{2g}}

where A is the cross sectional area of the water, a is the area of the opening and H is the starting height of the water. Is that consistent with your analysis?
 
this is fairly close to what I estimated in terms of ballparks. I came up with 2312 years and some change, in running your formula I got right at 2100 years.
 
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I think i made a mistake in that when I do your calculations I get 21005.32 years. Is this what you get?
 
uhuge,

I got about 2300 years when I used my formula. Check your units carefully.
 
Instead of remembering the formula , just apply the Bernoulli's Theorem at the top of the water surface and at the bottom ( bottom means the square peg) . And then calculate your answer and remember converting given units in standard form.

BJ
 
2300 is about right(the average velocity can be presumed as half the velocity calculated from initial gravity head). If the ridiculously high velocity won't damage the system, it may take another 255 years due to a 0.9 coefficient of discharge.
 

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