Water found on potentially habitable exoplanet

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The discussion revolves around the discovery of water on a potentially habitable exoplanet, exploring its atmospheric conditions, implications for extraterrestrial life, and the capabilities of current and future telescopes in detecting such features.

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  • Some participants note that the planet likely has a higher air pressure than Earth and lacks significant oxygen in its atmosphere, suggesting the presence of hydrogen.
  • Others argue that while water and hydrogen models fit the data better than water and nitrogen models, the difference is not significant, leaving uncertainty about the atmospheric composition.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the planet being a good candidate for extraterrestrial life, citing a potential runaway greenhouse effect due to high water vapor content.
  • There is a discussion about the capabilities of the Hubble Space Telescope and the anticipated advancements with the James Webb Space Telescope in detecting water vapor on exoplanets.
  • Recent papers are mentioned that report water on other exoplanets, indicating ongoing research in this area.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the water discovery for habitability and the specifics of the planet's atmospheric conditions. No consensus is reached regarding the potential for life or the exact nature of the atmosphere.

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Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of the planet's atmosphere, including the lack of clarity on whether the gas composition includes hydrogen or helium and the assumptions made about water condensation.

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water found on potentially habitable exoplanet
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from the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49648746
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That planet probably has a higher air pressure than Earth, and has no oxygen in the atmosphere (it was mentioned somewhere that there are significant amounts of hydrogen there, so no oxygen, except trace amounts, is possible at same time).
 
hilbert2 said:
That planet probably has a higher air pressure than Earth, and has no oxygen in the atmosphere (it was mentioned somewhere that there are significant amounts of hydrogen there, so no oxygen, except trace amounts, is possible at same time).
Actually it is yet unknown. Water+Hydrogen models had better fit than Water+Nitrogen, but the difference is not significant.
 
Sounds neat, but as the article in the OP mentions, this one is not a good candidate for finding extraterrestrial life.

Even if it did have a rocky surface and relatively thin atmosphere (as opposed to the Neptune-like planet many scientists apparently think it is), 50% water vapor in the atmosphere sounds to me like the result of a runaway greenhouse effect, which would also make the planet utterly uninhabitable.

I find this mostly interesting for demonstrating potential in detecting water around other planets. Hopefully over time the sensitivity will increase significantly to the point that even small amounts of water vapor are detectable.
 
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If Hubble can do this, imagine what JWST and the next generation of Earth-based telescopes will be able to do (although water is difficult for Earth-based telescopes).
 
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hilbert2 said:
That planet probably has a higher air pressure than Earth, and has no oxygen in the atmosphere (it was mentioned somewhere that there are significant amounts of hydrogen there, so no oxygen, except trace amounts, is possible at same time).
Water contains oxygen. :)

Free oxygen gas is not likely to be mixed with hydrogen gas. Oxygen is hostile to the early life that evolved on Earth. The planets located in habitable zones get attention because researchers are looking for life.

My impression from the article was that they detected water vapor. They said they assumed water would condense into clouds. They also did not specify if the gas was hydrogen or helium. They used the term H/He. The planet's mass is close to the range where hydrogen could escape faster than helium.
 
Can't wait till we hear about discoveries made with the James Webb telescope :o
 
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