Wave on a Wire: Finding Equations and Tension

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The problem involves analyzing a transverse wave on a taut wire, focusing on deriving the wave equation, calculating tension, and determining transverse velocity and acceleration at specific points in time and space.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the wave equation and the validity of given equations. Questions arise regarding the calculation of tension and the differentiation process for finding transverse velocity and acceleration.

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Some participants confirm the approach for part a is acceptable, while others provide guidance on the relationship between wave speed, tension, and mass density. There is ongoing exploration of how to differentiate with respect to both time and displacement, with some participants suggesting treating one variable as constant during differentiation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the application of differentiation techniques and the validity of certain equations provided by the teacher. There is a mention of homework constraints and the need for clarity in the differentiation process.

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[SOLVED] Wave on a wire

Homework Statement


A transverse wave on a taut wire has amplitude of 0.200mm and a frequency of 500Hz. It travels with a speed of 196m/s.

a) write an equation in SI units of the form [tex]y(x,t)= Asin( \omega t- kx)[/tex] for this wave

b)The linear mass density of this wire is 4.10g/m Find the Tension in the wire

c) what are the transverse velocity and the acceleration of the wave when x= 19.7m and t= 0.101s

Homework Equations


F= -kx
[tex]v= \omega/ k[/tex] ==> teacher gave me this equation but I can't find it in the book...is it valid?
[tex]f= 1/T= \omega/ 2 \pi[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



a)
[tex]f= 1/T= \omega/ 2 \pi[/tex]

[tex]T= 0.002s[/tex]

[tex]v= \omega/ k[/tex]

[tex]2 \pi (500Hz)= \omega[/tex]

[tex]\omega= 3151.59rad/s[/tex]

[tex]k= \omega / v[/tex]

[tex]3141.59rad/s / 196m/s= 16.02[/tex] => I'm not sure it's suppsosed to be that large

I guess I'd just plug in the numbers but I'm not sure if the way I got the numbers is correct.

b) I don't know how to find this

c) I think I would just differentiate the original equaiton with the numbers included and then just plug in the values given and find the numbers.

I have a question though.

Is the transverse velocity always found through the the differential equation?


Thank you very much
 
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Part a looks ok. For part b, the speed of a wave on a string with tension [itex]T[/itex] and mass per unit length [itex]\rho[/itex] is:

[tex]v= \sqrt{\frac{T}{\rho}}[/tex]

For part c you would just differentiate wrt time.
 
Kurdt said:
Part a looks ok. For part b, the speed of a wave on a string with tension [itex]T[/itex] and mass per unit length [itex]\rho[/itex] is:

[tex]v= \sqrt{\frac{T}{\rho}}[/tex]

For part c you would just differentiate wrt time.

Oh okay.
Thanks a lot Kurdt :smile:
 
Kurdt said:
For part c you would just differentiate wrt time.

I have a Question about this don't I have to differentiate with respect to BOTH time and displacement?.. the problem said that I had to find the transverse veloicty and acceleration of the wave when x= 19.7m and t= 0.101s so how would I do this?

I know that I differentiate but I'm not sure how it would look if I differentiate with both x and t together...

I do know that if it's just t and theta then it would be

[tex]y(t)= A cos(\omega*t + \theta)[/tex]

[tex]v(t)= y'(t)= -\omega A sin(\omega*t + \theta)[/tex]

and

[tex]a(t)= v'(t)= -\omega^2 A cos(\omega t + \theta)[/tex]

But what would it be with 2 variables??

would it be

[tex]y(x/t)= (8x -8a)((Asin (omega*t- kx)) ? => (for here sinc they start with sin<br /> Thank you Kurdt[/tex]
 
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You just differentiate wrt time. You treat the x variable as a constant when you do this. Then once you've differentiated you plug in the numbers.
 
Kurdt said:
You just differentiate wrt time. You treat the x variable as a constant when you do this. Then once you've differentiated you plug in the numbers.

alright. but does this apply always when they ask you these questions? do I just differentiate partially and then plug in?
 
~christina~ said:
alright. but does this apply always when they ask you these questions? do I just differentiate partially and then plug in?

Yes, that is the only way to find the transverse velocity and acceleration when you're given the wavefunction.
 
Kurdt said:
Yes, that is the only way to find the transverse velocity and acceleration when you're given the wavefunction.

Thank you Kurdt :smile:
 

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