Wave properties from the differential equation of a wave

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding how to derive wave properties from the differential equations that describe waves. Participants explore the implications of these equations and the relationship between mathematical modeling and physical behavior of waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive all properties of waves from differential equations and seeks clarification on what these equations imply.
  • Another participant points out that there are various differential equations for different types of waves, suggesting the need for specificity.
  • A later reply emphasizes that properties are not simply derived but are imposed through boundary conditions and the form of the wave solution, such as assuming a sine wave, while acknowledging that many solutions exist.
  • Another participant describes the process as iterative, where physical observations inform mathematical modeling, which in turn predicts behaviors that may lead to modifications of the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to derive wave properties from differential equations. Multiple views on the relationship between mathematics and physical behavior remain, with some emphasizing the role of boundary conditions and others focusing on the iterative nature of modeling.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on specific types of differential equations and the importance of boundary conditions, which are not fully resolved in the conversation.

sanpokhrel
How can we work out all the properties of wave from differential equation? And what really does differential equation of wave implies?
 
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Which differential equation do you have in mind? There are many such equations for various types of waves.
 
sanpokhrel said:
How can we work out all the properties of wave from differential equation? And what really does differential equation of wave implies?
You don't 'work out' all the properties, exactly; the properties are really what you impose on the conditions. What you do is to write down the Equation of Motion (or the equivalent in electromagnetic terms). This will have second order derivatives (or more) and you can solve it. But you also need to know the boundary conditions and you impose the condition that the solution has the form of a wave (i.e. repeats in space and time). There will be many possible solutions but you choose a simple one for a start - like assuming a sine wave. That doesn't imply that sine waves are the only solution. We know that there are huge possibilities for the shapes of waves.
 
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I'd say it's very much an iterative process to "work out" the properties between the physics and the mathematics. You notice how a physical system seems to behave, model the physical system with some equation(s), the mathematical properties predict some physical behaviors, you see if the predicted behaviors are actually observed, then go back and decide whether the equations need to be modified, and so on.
 

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