Wave Velocity in Terms of Tension

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining wave velocity in a homemade wave machine constructed from brass rods. Participants explore how varying tension affects wave speed and share practical observations related to their experiments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for wave velocity, v = √(T/μ), where T is tension and μ is mass per unit length.
  • Another participant asks for a practical estimate of wave velocity observed during experiments, indicating a desire for a demonstration tool for teaching.
  • A participant reports measured wave velocities ranging from 30 cm/s to 130 cm/s, noting that the medium's short length and the use of duct tape may have influenced these speeds.
  • A later reply questions whether changing the concentration of rods or the distance between them would affect wave velocity, indicating ongoing exploration of the factors influencing wave behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying observations and hypotheses regarding wave velocity, but no consensus is reached on the effects of rod concentration or spacing on wave speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention practical limitations such as the short length of the medium and the influence of duct tape on wave propagation, but these factors remain unresolved in terms of their impact on wave velocity.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in experimental demonstrations of wave motion, educators seeking practical teaching tools, and those exploring the relationship between tension and wave velocity in physical systems.

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A few friends and I built a wave "machine." It's made by laying out brass "rods" about a foot long next to each other about an inch or so apart on tape, and then taping the top side. When holding both sides of this "machine," when one strikes one rod at one end, it makes the rod in front of it move, which makes the rod in front of it move etc., creating a "wave."

For a wave like this, is there any way to determine the wave velocity in terms of a changing tension (which would be changed by pulling on either side of the wave "machine" more or less).
 
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v=\sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}

where \mu is the mass per unit length.
 
bfr said:
A few friends and I built a wave "machine." It's made by laying out brass "rods" about a foot long next to each other about an inch or so apart on tape, and then taping the top side. When holding both sides of this "machine," when one strikes one rod at one end, it makes the rod in front of it move, which makes the rod in front of it move etc., creating a "wave."

Neat. Can you tell us a ballpark estimate of the wave velocity you get in practice? I've wanted to build something like this as I am a private tutor and would like to have a wave motion demo for students. With the spring I have used the waves just move too fast to watch.
 
My friend calculated that the wave moved anywhere from about 30cm/s to to 130cm/s when we varied how hard we pulled on each side (he got these velocities by timing the waves). It looked kind of fast. The entire medium was relatively short (70cm maybe), though, which made it harder to time and made it look like it went by faster, and we used duct tape, which because of its width, probably also sped up (and dampened) the wave (we did this though because otherwise some rods would be lopsided with thinner tape).

rock.freak667: OK, thanks.

EDIT: Quick question - do you think changing the concentration of rods / distance between each rode would increase or decrease the wave velocity?
 
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