Wavelength of a Tennis Ball at 0 Velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the De Broglie wavelength equation, particularly when the velocity of an object, such as a tennis ball, approaches zero. Participants explore the conceptual significance of an infinite wavelength and its relation to quantum mechanics, including the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the outcome of the De Broglie equation when velocity is zero, noting that it results in an infinite wavelength, which they find nonsensical.
  • Another participant suggests using a very small velocity, such as one micron per century, to explore the implications of the equation without directly using zero.
  • A different participant emphasizes the outdated nature of De Broglie's theory, advocating for a focus on non-relativistic quantum mechanics and the significance of momentum eigenvectors.
  • One participant reiterates the initial question about the meaning of infinite wavelength and its implications for understanding particle behavior.
  • Another participant connects the De Broglie relation to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, explaining that if velocity is known precisely, position becomes completely uncertain, which relates to the concept of infinite wavelength.
  • This participant also notes that in practical scenarios, velocity cannot be known with absolute precision, leading to uncertainty in wavelength as well.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the De Broglie equation and its implications, with some advocating for a more modern approach to quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of infinite wavelength and its significance.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about velocity and the definitions of terms like "infinite wavelength." The relationship between the De Broglie equation and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is also not fully explored.

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In the De Broglie equation : λ = h / (m v) what happens when the velocity of an object is zero? I see that we get ∞ wavelength . It is not making any sense to me. Could anyone please help me. Let's take the object to be a tennis ball say.
 
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Why don't you put some numbers in. For v, uise one micron per century. That's pretty close to zero.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Why don't you put some numbers in. For v, uise one micron per century. That's pretty close to zero.
why not zero itself for velocity? What is the significance of infinite wavelength? what does it convey?
 
I was trying to teach you something, But never mind.
 
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De Broglie's theory is outdated for about 91 years now. Why do you bother with it. The right place to start is non-relativistic quantum mechanics, which you can formulate as "wave mechanics" a la Schrödinger. Then think about the question, whether there is a state represented by a momentum eigenvector. Note that wave functions can only represent true states if they are square integrable, i.e., for which you can normalize the wave function such that
$$\langle \psi|\psi \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} |\psi(\vec{x})|^2=1.$$
 
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Thejas15101998 said:
In the De Broglie equation : λ = h / (m v) what happens when the velocity of an object is zero? I see that we get ∞ wavelength . It is not making any sense to me. Could anyone please help me. Let's take the object to be a tennis ball say.
The De Broglie relation makes sense only when combined with Heisenberg uncertainty principle. If velocity v is known with certainty (be it 0 or any other definite value), then position is totally unknown. The infinite wavelength (or any other well defined wavelength) expresses the fact that the particle can be found anywhere.

In a realistic situation the velocity is never known with absolute precision, and consequently the wavelength is also not known with absolute precision.
 
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