Ways to prove Newton's theory in the early days

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The discussion revolves around the historical methods used to validate Newton's theory of gravitation shortly after its publication. Participants explore the relationship between Newton's laws and Kepler's laws, as well as the motivations behind Newton's publication of his work.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that checking the predictions of Newton's theory against Kepler's laws was a primary method for validating the theory.
  • Another participant notes that Newton's Principia contains a detailed derivation of Kepler's laws from his laws of motion and universal gravitation.
  • A participant mentions that Halley played a significant role in encouraging Newton to publish his work, highlighting a conversation where Newton attributed the derivation of Kepler's laws to the gravitational force law.
  • There is a humorous remark about Newton's focus on alchemical work over his physics contributions, suggesting that this may have influenced his priorities.
  • Some historians speculate that Newton's alchemical experiments, particularly with mercury, may have affected his judgment regarding the importance of his work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of Kepler's laws in relation to Newton's theory, but there are differing views on the importance Newton placed on his alchemical work versus his contributions to physics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of alchemy on Newton's priorities.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the historical context and the complexity of the derivations mentioned, as well as the speculative nature of claims about Newton's alchemical pursuits and their effects on his work.

Tio Barnabe
I was thinking about the immediate ways that physicists had for checking the validity of Newton's theory of gravitation in the time Newton published it. An obvious way would be to check if it predicts what is stated by Kepler's laws. Does anyone know if this was made? Do you know of other tests they carried out?

BTW, I found this text http://radio.astro.gla.ac.uk/a1dynamics/ellproof.pdf showing that the theory "predicts Kepler first law", but it seems to be too complicated for being worked out at that time.
 
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Newton's Principia, published in 1687, has a detailed derivation of how Kepler's three laws can be derived from his laws of motion and his law of Universal gravitation.
 
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Yes, and this was the main motivation for Halley to push Newton to publish his most important work. The funny story is that Halley once asked Newton, how to explain Kepler's laws from physics. Newton answered that this follows simply from the ##1/r^2## law for gravitational forces, and Halley had a hard time to make Newton write up the derivation. Apparently Newton considered his alchemistic work much more important than the ground-breaking physics work we nowadays associate with his name.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Apparently Newton considered his alchemistic work much more important than the ground-breaking physics work we nowadays associate with his name.

Most folks would agree if they thought they were on the verge of a break-through to make gold from lead!
 
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Some historians have argued that his exposure to mercury during his alchemy experiments had poisoned him. That could distort your sense of what's important!
 
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