Weird sound coming from thermos flask

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a peculiar sound emanating from a thermos flask when filled with hot water. Participants explore potential causes for this phenomenon, focusing on the behavior of air and pressure within the flask. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to thermodynamics and fluid dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the sound occurs only when hot water is used, suggesting a relationship between temperature and the sound produced.
  • Another participant proposes that expanded air may be leaking out of the flask.
  • It is suggested that the heating or cooling of air inside the flask creates a pressure difference, leading to airflow that produces a whistling sound.
  • A later reply confirms the idea of air expanding and leaking out, reinforcing the previous points made.
  • One participant describes an experiment where bubbles were observed when the flask was submerged in water, supporting the notion of air movement.
  • Another participant explains that if the stopper is well sealed and the flask is filled with hot water, the air inside should be allowed to vent to prevent pressure buildup, referencing Charles' Law.
  • They also mention that a similar phenomenon occurs with their espresso maker, where steam escapes and creates sound as temperatures change.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the idea that the sound is related to air movement due to pressure changes, but there are variations in the specifics of the explanations provided. No consensus is reached on a singular cause for the sound.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the thermos flask's design and the conditions under which the sound occurs remain unaddressed, such as the specific sealing mechanism of the stopper and the exact nature of the pressure changes involved.

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I had a thermos flask that I had never used since I had bought it. Today, I decided to take it out and use it for storing hot water, so that I don't have to heat water every time I feel thirsty.

An interesting incident occurred. I heated water to near about boiling temperature, and filled the thermos flask with it. Then I tightened the lid. And then I started to hear this sound from the flask.

I realized that the sound is coming only if I put in hot water, not cold water. It's a weird sound. It is stopping if the flask is kept undisturbed for some time, but starting again if I move the flask.

Can anyone account for this sound?

The room temperature is about 15°C.
 
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maybe expanded air is leaking out?
 
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The air inside the flask is either heating up or cooling down, which causes a pressure difference with respect to the outside atmosphere and makes air flow with a whistling sound.
 
I agree. Air expanding and leaking out.
 
jedishrfu said:
maybe expanded air is leaking out?

hilbert2 said:
The air inside the flask is either heating up or cooling down, which causes a pressure difference with respect to the outside atmosphere and makes air flow with a whistling sound.

anorlunda said:
I agree. Air expanding and leaking out.

Just now I thought about dipping the flask in a bucket of water. You people are right - I could see bubbles in the water in the bucket.

Thanks for the explanation!
 
Your noise must be air leaking in or out. If the stopper is well wetted when screwed in, the seating will be better and leaks are less likely.
When you fill a flask with hot water (and you should always leave some air in the top) the thing to do is to shake it up a bit, with the stopper loosely inserted. This will then warm up the air inside and the excess volume (Charles' Law - lookitup) will vent to the outside. If you don't do this, the air inside will have nowhere to go. Its pressure will increase and the stopper will always be under positive pressure. If the stopper is not a perfect seal and the flask is not upright, liquid or air can be forced out. However, if the air is pre-warmed, the pressure can only drop inside and a small amount of air may be forced in from outside as the internal pressure drops - no problem.
Also, all round containers are stronger with excess pressure outside than with excess pressure inside.
I have an Espresso coffee maker (old fashioned with a pressurised boiler and a hand espresso pump). Now the seals are getting a bit past it, there is some escape of steam which is inaudible during operation but suddenly, as the temperature drops, water condenses around the leak(s) and it starts to sing - apparently for no reason. It was very disturbing, half way through breakfast until I sussed it out.
I am sure that a number of cases of 'hauntings' could be explained by this sort of thing.
 
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