What are p and q in relation to the given plane and vector?

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The discussion revolves around determining the vectors p and q in relation to a given vector c and a plane defined by the equation 2x + 3y - z = 4. The vector p is specified to be parallel to the plane, while q is perpendicular to it.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the vectors p and q, particularly focusing on the conditions of parallelism and perpendicularity to the plane. There is discussion about the dot product being zero for p and q, and how to express these vectors in terms of unit vectors. Some participants express confusion regarding the calculations and the correct formulation of the vectors.

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Several participants have provided insights into the relationships between the vectors and the plane. There is an ongoing exploration of the dot product and its implications for the vectors' relationships. Some participants are seeking clarification on their calculations and the correct expressions for the vectors.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from the use of variable names in both the plane equation and vector expressions. There is also mention of the need to consider the normal vector of the plane in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



c = 10i+2j-3k = p + q

Calculate p and q where the vector p is parallel and q is perpendicular to the following plane:

2x+3y-z=4

Homework Equations



a\bulletb= axbx+ayby+azbz

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that because p is perpendicular to q the dot product between these two vectors should be zero. Also a vector parallel to the plane above is one which satisfies to equation of the plane and any vector perpendicular to the plane is a scalar multiple of the vector:

2x+3y-z
 
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Good- though i would not write the vector as "2x+3y-z". You have already used x, y, and z as variables in the equation of the plane so it would better to use, say, i, j, and k as the unit vectors in the x, y, and z directions. That is, 2i+ 3j- k. Since 10i+2j-3k = p + q= p+ 2ai+ 3aj- ak, you can write p= (10- 2a)i+ (2- 3a)j+ (-1+ a)k. And, of course, because they are perpendicular, the dot product of p and q is 0: (10- 2a)(10)+ (2- 3a)(2)+ (-1+ a)(-1)= 0.

Solve that equation for a.
 
Hello,

Thanks for your help, I am still a little confused with the solution, when I solve for p I get:

p = (10-2a)i+(2-3a)j+(-3+a)k

but I am also confused about the dot product, should it not be:

q = 2ai+3aj-ak

pdotq = (10-2a)i(2a)i + (2-3a)j(3a)j + (-3+a)k(-a)k

This is what I get when I solve is out but my final answer still does not make sense. I must be making a small error at some point. It would be really great if you could help me out.
 
joshwoods said:

Homework Statement



c = 10i+2j-3k = p + q

Calculate p and q where the vector p is parallel and q is perpendicular to the following plane:

2x+3y-z=4

Homework Equations



a\bulletb= axbx+ayby+azbz

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that because p is perpendicular to q the dot product between these two vectors should be zero. Also a vector parallel to the plane above is one which satisfies to equation of the plane and any vector perpendicular to the plane is a scalar multiple of the vector:

2x+3y-z

A vector lying in the plane does not satisfy the equation of the plane. The equation of the plane means that the difference between two vectors of the plane r and ro is perpendicular to the normal of the plane: (r-ro)n=0 which leads to the equation ax+bx+cz=C, where a,b,c, are the components of the normal and C is the dot product of ro with the normal vector.

The normal vector of the plane 2x+3y-z=4 is n=(2,3,-1), a vector, perpendicular to the plane. The vector c then is the sum of a vector, parallel to n and an other, perpendicular to n. You certainly know how to get the projection of a vector to a certain direction?

ehild
 

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