What are some creative ways to harness wind power for a project?

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The discussion revolves around creative methods to harness wind power for a project involving a wooden block that must be pulled towards a large industrial fan using only the wind generated by the fan. The challenge includes specific constraints such as no stored energy, no lubrication, and no dangerous materials, with a goal of completing the task in two seconds or less.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a sail on the block to harness wind energy, questioning its effectiveness due to the challenge of moving upwind.
  • Another participant notes the fan's diameter and its relatively broad wind output, while providing the weight of the block as approximately 0.5 to 0.75 lbs.
  • A participant proposes the idea of using a thin thread caught in the fan blades to pull the block, but acknowledges this violates project rules.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about moving the block against the wind stream, emphasizing the challenge of increasing air particle momentum and the impact of drag.
  • Another participant suggests utilizing fluid dynamics by designing a tube that narrows to increase air speed, although they recognize the potential drag issues.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of a pulley system with parachutes to assist in pulling the block, suggesting that multiple parachutes could be deployed to maintain force.
  • There is a discussion about the materials for making the parachutes, with one participant considering grocery bags for their lightweight properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and approaches, but there is no consensus on a single effective method. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the best way to harness wind power for the project.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations such as the fan's wind strength, the weight of the block, and the constraints of the project rules, which affect the feasibility of proposed solutions.

Phox
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Ok so here's the deal. Wind powered machine project..

-Large Industrial Fan blowing
-4 meters away from the fan is a wooden block on the ground with a hook in it (to attach rope, etc)
-must pull the wooden block 4 meters TOWARDS the fan in the fastest amount of time possible
-machine must only be powered by wind. no stored energy, potential energy, etc.
-cannot lubricate the floor or put anything under the block
-no combustibles/other dangerous thingies :)
-to get an A, time must be 2 second or faster

So basically need to pull the block 4 meters TOWARDS the fan in the fastest amount of time possible using only the wind power of the fan.

I'm thinking I could always use the ol' windmill technique but I'd rather do something different. Any ideas?
 
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The first thing you need to do is find a way to harness the wind energy as most efficiently as possible.

How heavy is the block, and how large is the fan? Could you simply put a sail on the block?
 
Phox said:
...need to pull the rope 4 meters towards the fan...

minger said:
Could you simply put a sail on the block?

minger - are you trying to restart that 'sailing upwind' thread :wink:
 
The fan is probably 5 feet in diameter. It's a big fan however the wind coming from it is not as powerful as you might think. The wind is more... broad if that makes sense.. The block I'd say is .5-.75 lbs

And I don't really see the point of putting a sail on the block because yes, it'd be sailing upwind.
 
-no combustibles/other dangerous thingies :)

that shoots all my ideas to heck

how about a thin strong thread that gets caught in the fan blade and yanks the block into the fan
that always happens when its NOT supposed to...

dr
 
dr dodge said:
-no combustibles/other dangerous thingies :)

that shoots all my ideas to heck

how about a thin strong thread that gets caught in the fan blade and yanks the block into the fan
that always happens when its NOT supposed to...

dr

Haha, unfortunately against the rules. That was my first idea ;)
 
I can't understand how something could move up the stream of wind. To me the challenge is how to increase the momentum of the air particles so by conservation the block will have to move in the other direction. but the real life effect of drag would always push it back.

Perhaps you could somehow take advantage of fluid dynamics to speed up the air. I am thinking a tube with a large end toward the fan and a small end at the back. This way the air would be moving faster out of the small end. But the drag would definitely push it back even if any force was gained. Maybe a lot of lubrication in the tube?
 
Hellabyte said:
I can't understand how something could move up the stream of wind. To me the challenge is how to increase the momentum of the air particles so by conservation the block will have to move in the other direction. but the real life effect of drag would always push it back.

Perhaps you could somehow take advantage of fluid dynamics to speed up the air. I am thinking a tube with a large end toward the fan and a small end at the back. This way the air would be moving faster out of the small end. But the drag would definitely push it back even if any force was gained. Maybe a lot of lubrication in the tube?

Hmm. Perhaps I didn't explain this well enough. I can make some kind of machine directly in front of the fan to harness the wind and to pull the rope + block towards the machine and fan.
 
Phox said:
Hmm. Perhaps I didn't explain this well enough. I can make some kind of machine directly in front of the fan to harness the wind and to pull the rope + block towards the machine and fan.

Oh yeah, I had the wrong idea. Well you could put some sort of pulley supported by two stabilized legs in front of the fan. the rope would have a parachute on one end and the block on the other. the fan will start and the parachute will be blown back. to increase time you could attach other parachutes at periodic lengths along the rope, so when they go across the pulley they deploy, so the force doesn't die out.
 
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This might be a good idea. How would I make the parachutes?
 
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Phox said:
This might be a good idea. How would I make the parachutes?

Hmm. I think they would have to be very light so they deployed easily. Possibly you could make them out of grocery bags. It really depends on how powerful the fan is, i could just see some of the parachutes sitting there and not opening up at all.
 

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