What are the advantages and disadvantages of n-pole motors?

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The discussion revolves around the advantages and disadvantages of n-pole motors, particularly focusing on brushed DC motors. Participants explore the relationship between the number of poles, torque, and RPM, while also addressing the differences between AC and DC motor characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that more poles in a brushed DC motor may lead to higher torque and lower RPM, seeking confirmation from others.
  • Another participant provides a formula for synchronous speed in AC machines, indicating that the number of poles affects RPM in that context.
  • A participant clarifies that for brushed DC motors, the relationship between poles, speed, and torque is not as straightforward as in AC motors, emphasizing that speed is influenced more by voltage and field strength than by the number of poles.
  • It is noted that having more poles results in fewer armature slots per pole, which introduces complexity in motor design and performance.
  • A suggestion is made to explore the differences between Lap and Wave wound armatures to understand the trade-offs in motor design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the number of poles in brushed DC motors, with no consensus reached regarding the initial claim about torque and RPM.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the relationship between the number of poles and motor performance is nuanced and dependent on various factors, including motor design and operating conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in motor design, electrical engineering, and the operational characteristics of DC motors may find this discussion relevant.

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From what I've understand now, it is like in a brushed DC motor, the more poles you have, the less RPM but higher torque. Can anyone confirm?
 
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Have you tried an internet search ?
 
Yes, I have. No helpful results so far.
 
A great many AC and DC machines can be called "n-pole motors", where "n" is an even number of poles (2,4,6,8,etc).
For an AC machine, synchronous speed (in RPM) is f*(2/p)*60, where f=AC line frequency, and p= the number of poles.
i.e. for a 2 pole motor operated at 60 Hz line frequency, 60 Hz * (2/2) * 60 = 3600 RPM.

Do a search on "motor poles" and read up.
 
Did a search and all I got were about induction motors when I'm looking for the ones about brushed DC motors.

Anyway. For brushed DC motors (given the same current), does more poles mean more torque and less RPM?
 
Here's a pretty good introduction to DC motors

https://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/8a-DC-motors-rev-3-091115-CCupload.pdf

While it's true that more poles gives more electrical degrees per mechanical degree of rotation
it would be misleading to say that number of poles for a DC machine determines speed like it does in an AC machine.
Should you accept it as a premise you'll wind up making mistakes in your thinking.

Armature tangential velocity in a DC machine is ratio of applied voltage and field strength , neither of which depends on number of poles.
Speed and torque will be more affected by motor's diameter and length than by how many poles it has.

More poles means less armature slots per pole , so everything is inter-related
but going down the line of thought you propose will cause confusion.

Look up Lap vs Wave wound armature and you'll get into the tradeoffs designers use.
 
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Thank you for the good read, mate!
 

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