What Are the Best Recommendations for a European Itinerary?

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The discussion revolves around travel plans for a trip to France and nearby countries, with a focus on cultural and historical sites. Key destinations mentioned include Paris, Versailles, Mont St. Michel, and various locations in Belgium, Holland, and Luxembourg. Recommendations include visiting the Louvre, which is emphasized as a must-see for culture and history enthusiasts, and exploring Normandy, particularly the D-Day beaches and Rouen. Suggestions for day trips include Honfleur and Caen, with a note on the importance of using public transportation like the Metro in Paris due to traffic concerns. The conversation also touches on personal experiences and the enjoyment of local cuisine, as well as the challenges of navigating the trip, such as time constraints and costs. Overall, the thread highlights a blend of historical exploration and leisure activities, with a mix of planned and spontaneous travel experiences.
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As I have said before, we will be landing on the beaches of France next month, an American obsession since at least 1944. Our residence will be at the gates of Disneyland but we won't be going there. I have Paris, Versailles, Fountainbleu, and Mont St. Michel on my list of places to see. My wife has less specific destinations: Belgium, Holland, and Luxembourg. I am asking for recommendations to fill out this itinerary. Thanks in advance for your generosity in this matter.

Edit: My wife informs me that the Anne Frank house in Amsterdam is on the itinerary.
 
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You can visit Norway! :smile:
 
What would you like? culture, history, nature, entertainment, sun tan?
 
Jimmy, go to Mainau - Germany's flower island. Andre's photos of the place are stunning.
 
Visit Lyon, Provence, Annecy, the Loire valley, Toulouse, the Pyrenees, the Riviera, . . . . .

I like this place that Andre mentioned - http://web.mac.com/stoterr/Site_4/Welcome.html

Rent a fast car! or take the TGV. :biggrin:
 
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You may meet Sesinka over there.

But don't underestimate the traffic (jams) in Europe. Paris alone has more than a holiday to offer for sight seeing. But be sure to take the Metro, specially recommendent, the Louvre, it would take a week to see all the treasures over there. But don't take the main gate (the Pyramid) there are sneaky and fast ways to get in.

Also nice, the graveyard "Pere Lachaise"
 
Andre said:
What would you like? culture, history, nature, entertainment, sun tan?
Culture and history for me. I can get the other stuff at home. My wife wants nature in the mix.

We are paid up for two weeks at Disneyland, so other than a 4 day sweep of Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg, that's our base. That means Mainau is too far away. Same goes for Lyon, Provence, Annecy, Toulouse (how loose are the women in Toulouse?), the Pyrenees, the Riviera, and Norway.

Loire Valley looks good though. Perhaps we'll go to some castles there. I spent three days in Paris 40 years ago without ever going to the Louvre. I think it's something in the water.

My wife will not set foot in a cemetery.

Thanks for these ideas, please keep them coming.
 
How about Normandy, then?

Lots of Norwegian memorials there, for example in Rouen! :smile:
 
You can get from Paris to London in a couple of hours nowadays. Just a thought...
 
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cristo said:
You can get from Paris to London in a couple of hours nowadays. Just a thought...
On the way home. :biggrin:

I was in Paris for a week several years (~12) ago. The hotel was across the street/highway from the Lovre. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to visit inside the Louvre.
 
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The Louvre is absolutely mandatory for culture and history seekers, much more important than Versailles
 
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arildno said:
How about Normandy, then?
We intend to go to Mont St. Michel which I'm told is only a mile from Normandy. That's as close as we're getting to Norway ok? Get over it.

cristo said:
You can get from Paris to London in a couple of hours nowadays.
The original plan was for a week in London and a week in Paris. However, we could not find suitable lodgings there (we trade timeshare weeks) so we took the two weeks in Paris. It is possible, but not likely, that we will go there on a day trip via the Chunnel. The problem is the value to expense ratio. We'll make that decision once we have a better idea of the local attractions.
 
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Maybe the City of Caen would be of interest?

One of the largest European medieval fortresses lie there, built by William the Conqueror in 1060 or thereabouts.

In addition, Parc FestyLand is a family theme park in the area (sort of 1066 and all-that theme), that might be of interest?
 
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arildno said:
Maybe the City of Caen would be of interest?
Could be. We intend the trip to Mont St. Michel to be a day trip, but it is a bit far. If we can't get back to Paris comfortably, perhaps we'll stay in Caen.
 
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The Normandy coast is good, along with Caen, Rouen, Bayeux.
Chartres is only an hours drive from Paris.

Under no circumstances attempt to drive in Paris, take the metro.
 
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Enroute to or from Mt st Michel, it may be an idea to see the invasion beaches, in that case put also on the list the little village Honfleur on the south bank of the Seine, south of "Le Havre". A very cosy little mediteranian like artist village. Close to that are the Louis Quinze type of Villages Deauville and Trouville sur mer.
 
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Oh and when looking for hotels to stay overnight, better skip the "Hotel de ville". It doesn't have guest rooms, it's the town hall.
 
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The round-robin Paris - Honfleur - Mont St Michel, may be extended by visiting Fougères, slightly to the south of Michel. It has a typical fairy tale castle
 
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Andre said:
The Louvre is absolutely mandatory for culture and history seekers, much more important than Versailles
Yeah - it was painful being there and not having the time to enjoy it.

I did meet a very nice girl there. We were standing on a bridge over the Seine, and she asked me in French which way to sea. Unfortunately, she didn't speak English and I didn't speak French, but my colleague did so he translated. That kind of situation has happened often with me.
 
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Ah - the Palais Royal (just north of the Louvre) is where I stayed. Very reasonable and quite comfortable.
 
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Okay, for Belgium :

In Brussels, three places come to my mind :
- La Grand-Place de Bruxelles (Brussel's Great Place). Truly one of the best you'll ever see ! (but I'm belgian so my opinion is biased ;-))
- The Atomium. That's an obligatory stop. A vestige from the "Exposition Universelle" in 1958, just like the Eiffel Tower a few decades before in Paris.
- the Magritte Museum. I still haven't been there because the museum just opened, but that's Magritte.

Other great cities :
- Bruges. Some people call it "the little Venice".
- Leuven. A very old city with a very old university (15th century).
 
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There's so much good stuff here it will take me and my wife a while to digest. We will consider each suggestion.
 
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Don't you dare go to Europe unless your travel plan has been made public here at PF, js!
 
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arildno said:
Don't you dare go to Europe unless your travel plan has been made public here at PF, js!
I sense a security risk, here!
 
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turbo-1 said:
I sense a security risk, here!
Of course!

Sneaking off to Europe, without even telling us what suggestions they have made, depriving us the opportunity of getting egos inflated by our altruistic, helpful activity??

Such ego inflation deprivation is a definite motive for retaliation. :mad:
 
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OMGZ! Euro PF hit squad is in motion! Run, jimmy, run!
 
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PS, I hope you have watched the Bourne movies and taken notes. The Euro PF'ers are not to be taken lightly.
 
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turbo-1 said:
The Euro PF'ers are not to be taken lightly.

Correct. I am rather..portly.
 
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Jimmy, is Christie Brinkley going to be shadowing you in a convertible? If so, I'd like to be your bodyguard. Just sayin'.
 
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turbo-1 said:
I'd like to be your bodyguard.

Well, we all know in Europe that to incapacitate you we should use perfumes, not pepper spray...
 
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I haven't seen any of the Bourne movies, but I get the jist. I am to obtain certain letters of transit before the fat man does. I give them to my wife and kids who fly back to the States while I begin a beautiful friendship with Christie Brinkley. This is going to be the best vacation ever.
 
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Borek said:
Well, we all know in Europe that to incapacitate you we should use perfumes, not pepper spray...
If Christie uses pepper spray on me, we will be bonded for life. I guess Billy Joel couldn't stand the heat.
 
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I'm back from our whirlwind tour. I met with a couple of friends that I hadn't seen for 40 years. It was a delightful reunion and a chance to tell our stories and how life had turned out so differently from what was planned. Well, our trip of two weeks didn't turn out as planned either. The calouses on my heels split open and that made it painful to walk. I caught some mystery disease that made me tired and sleepy all the time, and the weather was poor. We didn't go the Benelux route as planned, but we did go to Brussels for a day. I was out of it the whole time. We went past the Atomium, but did not go in it. We went to the Grand Place which was good. There we bought Belgium Chocolates to take home to friends and sat in one of the cafes to eat Belgian Waffles and other delights. We didn't go to Mont St. Michel because it would have cost too much and taken too long. We didn't go on a tour of the Loire valley as was suggested, but we did go to Nantes. We walked from the train station to the Loire river, but the river in town is nothing to see. We went to the hat of the Dukes of Brittany and to the cathedrals of St. Peter, and of St. Paul. The Botanical gardens in Nantes are especially nice. We took an unplanned trip to Lyon and there we sawthe Fourviere cathedral, the only Roccoco cathedral we saw. I prefer Gothic. So in Paris we saw everyone's favorite goth girl, Notre Dame de Paris (by the way, in Paris, they don't say Paris, they say Paris. It sounds complete different, so be careful). I have been in many Gothic cathedrals in my life, but there is nothing like Notre Dame, nothing in the world. We also went to the hat of Versailles, something that should not be missed, but first, crack a book on Louis XIV, the Sun King. In addition to being a playground, Versailles was a tool of the state and the state was Louis. We also saw the Louvre, which used to be a hat, but is now a museum. They have one of those trick portraits of a young woman that no matter what direction you look at her from, she seems to be smiling at you. That and 57 annunciations, 52 mother and childs, 37 dispositions from the cross, and 42 pietas. In the Empire section they had a few paintings by Delacroix, the court painter, and by Jacques-Louis David, the court photographer. We saw the Luxembourg hat which now houses the French Senate. I recommend the gardens there where people engage in all sorts of play. Of course we saw the Eiffel Tower. This engineering and asthetic marvel was conceived and built by Gustav Tour. If I have the story right, some deity was angered by it and forced the French people to speak a confusing language.

When I got there, it was all I could do to blurt out a tentative bonjour, or a hesitant merci. However, before long I was able to say bonjour and merci fluently. I was keen to learn the language because they have a lot of girly magazines on display, but they're all in French. Contrary to what I had heard, the people of France do not treat tourists badly. Well there was this waiter who was so rude that I knew right away he was a French waiter. When I came out of the WC, I tripped over the curb getting back to my seat. He cautioned me to be careful and we smiled at each other. After that he continued to be rude, but it was different somehow. Every morning I went to the Boulangerie. At first I thought I was going to get some fancy underwear, but it turns out to be a bakery. I started by asking for baked goods in English, but as time went on, and with the help of the counter girl, I learned to do a whole conversation thing and get my order in, all in French. However, it occurred to me that she continued to speak to me in English. From that point on, I stopped speaking French to her as she seemed proud of her ability to speak English. I thought there was a law against saying hot dog, but this is obviously not the case. You can get a hot dog, french fries and a coke, but it will cost you dearly, perhaps $20 or so. The euro is strong and that means the US tourist is weak.
 
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Meh owee, Pah-ree, Le plus grand probleme est le pronunciation.

But there is more to the Louvre, an astounding Roman, Greek and Middle East collection, lot's of Rubens and Rembrandts, the Venus of Milo and some interesting artifacts of Charles V the wise and other early kings.

That smiling girl is a bit over rated, I'd say. Incredible that crowd of people in front of that not too brilliant painting all the time.
 
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Andre said:
Venus of Milo
Saw it. This double amputee is touted as the epitome of feminine beauty. I don't go for the kinky stuff, so I moved on to Winged Victory. If this is the winner, I wonder what the loser looks like. Then there was the pyramid, disassembled in Giza and carried, pane by pane, to Paris.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
I'm back from our whirlwind tour. I met with a couple of friends that I hadn't seen for 40 years. It was a delightful reunion and a chance to tell our stories and how life had turned out so differently from what was planned. . . . We didn't go to Mont St. Michel because it would have cost too much and taken too long. We didn't go on a tour of the Loire valley as was suggested, but we did go to Nantes. . . . The Botanical gardens in Nantes are especially nice. We took an unplanned trip to Lyon and there we sawthe Fourviere cathedral, the only Roccoco cathedral we saw. . . . .
Sounds like a great trip! I love Lyon. Too bad about the Loire - maybe next time - and try to include Provence. The area around Annency is also great, and I'd definitely include the Pyrénées.

http://france-for-visitors.com/alps/annecy/index.html
http://france-for-visitors.com/pyrenees/index.html
 
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