What are the minimum and maximum values of theta for the moment equation?

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The problem involves determining the angles theta between 0 and 180 degrees that will produce maximum and minimum moments about point A due to a 70N force acting on a pipe. The original poster attempts to derive the moment equation and its derivative but encounters difficulty in identifying the minimum value of theta.

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  • Participants discuss the derivative of the moment equation and the expectation of finding two critical points for maximum and minimum moments. There is questioning about the absence of a second value of theta and the implications of the derivative results.

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Some participants have provided insights into the behavior of the moment function at specific angles, suggesting that the moment increases at 0º and decreases at 180º. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the derivative and the critical points of the moment function.

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Participants note the lack of a diagram and the challenges posed by the problem's constraints, including the need to analyze the moment equation within the specified range of angles.

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Homework Statement



The 70N force acts on the end of the pipe at B. determine the angles theta between 0 and 180 of the force that will produce maximum and minimum moments about point A.

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I made the following equation then took its derivative and put it equal to 0. The problem here is that I only get one value of theta. the one which gives the maximum value of the moment. there isn't any other value of tan coming withing 0-180. How do I get the minimum value of theta from this method. Wasn't I automatically supposed to get two value of theta from the first derivative and then I could I have gone further to second derivative to check if it was min or max. I am stuck.

Equation :- [tex]M = (70cos\theta * 0.9) + (70sin\theta * 0.7)[/tex]
Derivative :- [tex]= -63sin\theta + 49cos\theta[/tex]
 

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Altairs said:
I made the following equation then took its derivative and put it equal to 0. The problem here is that I only get one value of theta. the one which gives the maximum value of the moment. there isn't any other value of tan coming withing 0-180. How do I get the minimum value of theta from this method. Wasn't I automatically supposed to get two value of theta from the first derivative and then I could I have gone further to second derivative to check if it was min or max. I am stuck.

Equation :- [tex]M = (70cos\theta * 0.9) + (70sin\theta * 0.7)[/tex]
Derivative :- [tex]= -63sin\theta + 49cos\theta[/tex]

Hi Altairs! :smile:

(btw, I haven't seen the picture yet)

erm … sometimes it's maths, and sometimes it's just looking at the reality.

It often helps to draw a diagram (roughly).

The graph of the moment should look like a hill.

At 0º, the derivative is 49, which is positive; at 180º, it is -49, which is negative.

So the moment is already increasing at 0º, and is still decreasing at 180º.

So one of them may be a minimum … :smile:
 
Sorry. Can't get it. Would be easier with a few equations.
 
Hi Altairs! :smile:

(Still can't get the picture - I keep getting the please-log-in screen! :cry:)

At 0º, the moment is 63; it goes up until tantheta = 7/9; then it goes down until, at 180º, it is -63.

So the maximum is at tantheta = 7/9, them minimum is at 180º. :smile:
 

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