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Current reading among participants focuses on various STEM books, including D. J. Tritton's "Physical Fluid Dynamics," which is appreciated for its structured approach to complex topics. J. MacCormick's "Nine Algorithms That Changed the Future" is noted for its accessibility in explaining computer algorithms. Others are exploring advanced texts like S. Weinberg's "Gravitation and Cosmologie" and Zee's "Gravitation," with mixed experiences regarding their difficulty. Additionally, books on machine learning, quantum mechanics, and mathematical foundations are being discussed, highlighting a diverse range of interests in the STEM field. Overall, the thread reflects a commitment to deepening understanding in science and mathematics through varied literature.
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Why do mathematicians find algebraic geometry so sexy? Is it just because of its highest level of abstraction (schemes etc) or is there some other reason? To me, algebraic geometry does not look very fundamental for mathematics as a whole, in the sense that knowledge of abstract algebraic geometry does not help much in most other branches of math.
 
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Does algebraic geometry show up in physics? I recall seeing Nima Arkani-Hamed reading Principles of Algebraic Geometry by Joe Harris in Particle Fever.
 
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Demystifier said:
Why do mathematicians find algebraic geometry so sexy? Is it just because of its highest level of abstraction (schemes etc) or is there some other reason? To me, algebraic geometry does not look very fundamental for mathematics as a whole, in the sense that knowledge of abstract algebraic geometry does not help much in most other branches of math.

That's a huge generalisation. I rather dislike algebraic geometry and I truly hate Hartshorne's book. Now you have an opinion from the opposite side of the spectrum :)
 
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Mondayman said:
Does algebraic geometry show up in physics? I recall seeing Nima Arkani-Hamed reading Principles of Algebraic Geometry by Joe Harris in Particle Fever.
Algebraic geometry at some level shows up in physics, but I think this level is not what mathematicians find so sexy. I never seen in physics mentioning things like Grothendieck schemes or Zariski topology.
 
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Math_QED said:
That's a huge generalisation. I rather dislike algebraic geometry and I truly hate Hartshorne's book. Now you have an opinion from the opposite side of the spectrum :)
Well, by mathematicians I obviously meant many mathematicians, not all mathematicians. Anyway, what are your favored branches of math?
 
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Demystifier said:
Why do mathematicians find algebraic geometry so sexy? Is it just because of its highest level of abstraction (schemes etc) or is there some other reason? To me, algebraic geometry does not look very fundamental for mathematics as a whole, in the sense that knowledge of abstract algebraic geometry does not help much in most other branches of math.
This is from Eisenbud, The Geometry of Schemes
The theory of schemes is the foundation for algebraic geometry formulated by Alexandre Grothendieck and his many coworkers. It is the basis for a grand unification of number theory and algebraic geometry, dreamt of by number theorists and geometers for over a century. It has strengthened classical algebraic geometry by allowing flexible geometric arguments about infinitesimals and limits in a way that the classic theory could not handle. In both these ways it has made possible astonishing solutions of many concrete problems.
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No one can doubt the success and potency of the scheme-theoretic methods. Unfortunately, the average mathematician, and indeed many a beginner in algebraic geometry, would consider our title, “The Geometry of Schemes”, an oxymoron akin to “civil war”. The theory of schemes is widely regarded as a horribly abstract algebraic tool that hides the appeal of geometry to promote an overwhelming and often unnecessary generality. By contrast, experts know that schemes make things simpler. The ideas behind the theory — often not told to the beginner — are directly related to those from the other great geometric theories, such as differential geometry, algebraic topology, and complex analysis. Understood from this perspective, the basic definitions of scheme theory appear as natural and necessary ways of dealing with a range of ordinary geometric phenomena, and the constructions in the theory take on an intuitive geometric content which makes them much easier to learn and work with.
Doesn't it just make your loins quiver a little bit?

Here are some more passages from Manin, Introduction to the Theory of Schemes
Meanwhile the elements of algebraic geometry became everyday language of working theoretical physicists and the need for concise accessible textbooks only increased.
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The methods described in these lectures are currently working tools of theoretical physicists studying subjects that range from high-energy physics (see [Del]), where the Large Hadron Collider still (now is year 2016) struggles to confirm or disprove the supersymmetry of our world (or rather models of it), to solid-state physics, where supersymmetric models already work (see, e.g., the very lucid book [Ef] with a particularly catchy title).
 
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Demystifier said:
Well, by mathematicians I obviously meant many mathematicians, not all mathematicians. Anyway, what are your favored branches of math?

I'm currently doing a lot of functional analysis with a special focus on ##C^*##-algebras.

These are truly fascinating objects. The interplay between algebra and topology is really fascinating. For example, every abelian ##C^*##-algebra can be realized as ##C_0(X)## where ##X## is a locally compact Hausdorff space and the Gelfand-Naimark theorem actually says that the study of ##C^*##-algebras is equivalent with the study of adjointly closed complete subalgebras of ##B(\mathcal{H})## (bounded operators on the Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}##).
 
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Demystifier said:
But more to the point, can you give some examples of "astonishing solutions of many concrete problems" that Eisenbud and Harris refer to?
Oh, I just omitted that from the quote:
On the number-theoretic side one may cite the proof of the Weil conjectures, Grothendieck’s original goal (Deligne [1974]) and the proof of the Mordell Conjecture (Faltings [1984]). In classical algebraic geometry one has the development of the theory of moduli of curves, including the resolution of the Brill–Noether–Petri problems, by Deligne, Mumford, Griffiths, and their coworkers (see Harris and Morrison [1998] for an account), leading to new insights even in such basic areas as the theory of plane curves; the firm footing given to the classification of algebraic surfaces in all characteristics (see Bombieri and Mumford [1976]); and the development of higher-dimensional classification theory by Mori and his coworkers (see Kollár [1987]).
They're rather mathy, of course. For me, it's the abstract (and categorical) language and concepts from the modern theory (like schemes) that are of interest. I've come to the conclusion (from my experience of self-studying), that abstractions make the theory look cleaner, more conceptual and transparent, less messy. And the language of modern algebraic geometry has apparently spread around into many other areas of math and physics (mathematical and theoretical), like category theory (which was first created to help solve certain problems in algebraic topology and then just went out of control and spread all over the math). And that's probably for a reason.
 
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Dragon27 said:
And the language of modern algebraic geometry has apparently spread around into many other areas of math and physics (mathematical and theoretical), like category theory (which first was created to help solve certain problems in algebraic topology and then just went out of control and spread all over the math). And that's probably for a reason.
So can it be said that's it's not the subject of algebraic geometry itself (namely algebraic varieties) that is so sexy, but rather the general language that is used in the modern abstract formulation of it?
 
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Math_QED said:
That's a huge generalisation. I rather dislike algebraic geometry and I truly hate Hartshorne's book. Now you have an opinion from the opposite side of the spectrum :)
That I never understood. I can understand if some likes some area more that others, or if he doesn't have an interest in some areas. But to actually dislike any part of mathematics is strange to me!
Math_QED said:
I'm currently doing a lot of functional analysis with a special focus on ##C^*##-algebras.

These are truly fascinating objects. The interplay between algebra and topology is really fascinating. For example, every abelian ##C^*##-algebra can be realized as ##C_0(X)## where ##X## is a locally compact Hausdorff space and the Gelfand-Naimark theorem actually says that the study of ##C^*##-algebras is equivalent with the study of adjointly closed complete subalgebras of ##B(\mathcal{H})## (bounded operators on the Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}##).
That is even more puzzling, because conceptually the abstract algebraic geometry is very much in this spirit. I might be wrong but I think some of the Grothendick's ideas were motivated by Gelfand's work.
 
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Demystifier said:
Why do mathematicians find algebraic geometry so sexy? Is it just because of its highest level of abstraction (schemes etc) or is there some other reason? To me, algebraic geometry does not look very fundamental for mathematics as a whole, in the sense that knowledge of abstract algebraic geometry does not help much in most other branches of math.
I think this is true for algebraicly minded mathematicians. The analysts are not that keen on algebraic geometry.
 
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That I never understood. I can understand if some likes some area more that others, or if he doesn't have an interest in some areas. But to actually dislike any part of mathematics is strange to me!

That is even more puzzling, because conceptually the abstract algebraic geometry is very much in this spirit. I might be wrong but I think some of the Grothendick's ideas were motivated by Gelfand's work.

There are plenty of mathematicians that dislike some areas of mathematics. I could give plenty of examples but the pure versus applied mathematics debate already says enough. However, maybe I should add some nuance and admit that the 'dislike' is put too strong. The ideas from algebraic geometry feel unnatural to me and the subject just doesn't click as other subjects do. Maybe the problem is that I self-studied from the (awful##^{(*)}##) book of Hartshorne and I should go look for a better book. But for now, I have no need for algebraic geometry anyway so I feel I can spend my time on other topics instead.

Also, comparing functional analysis and algebraic geometry is a no-go for me. These fields do not have much overlap.

##(*)## For self-study. Might be a good reference book.
 
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Demystifier said:
So can it be said that's it's not the subject of algebraic geometry itself (namely algebraic varieties) that is so sexy, but rather the general language that is used in the modern abstract formulation of it?
Well, modern algebraic geometry has certainly outgrown its classical roots, but I'm not entirely sure what is still considered its subject. The notion of algebraic variety has been generalized as well (from its classical "the set of solutions of a system of polynomial equations"). And the algebraic varieties appear in some problems related to mathematical physics, interplay with differential geometry, etc (don't ask me to provide examples, though :) ).
With regards to sexiness specifically, probably something like that. This kind of intriguing conceptual way it uses to look at the classical problems in geometry and algebra, and how it intertwines them. And the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem...edit:
An interesting article/blog post
https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2019/03/15/algebraic-geometry/
 
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Also, comparing functional analysis and algebraic geometry is a no-go for me. These fields do not have much overlap.
I didn't mean to compare functional analysis with algebraic geometry. I meant it in a specific way. Gelfand's idea to represent curtain commutative algebras as algebras of functions on some space. To points of the space are the maximal ideals of the algebra and so on. This is also what happens in algebraic geometry. A commutative ring is the ring of regular functions on an affine variety, whose points are the prime ideals of the ring and so on.
 
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I suspect one reason algebraic geometry comes across as sexy is that so many fields medals went there in recent decades. But in my own experience, it seems to draw people in by its "sweep". When I went to UGA in 1977 I was almost the only person in algebraic geometry. Some years later there were so many people claiming to be in algebraic geometry in some form, people who previously announced themselves as specialists in some other area, that as a joke, my friend, an operator theorist, announced himself on the day we introduced ourselves to each other, as an algebraic geometer.

In practical terms, it turned out that algebraic geometers at UGA were so broadly trained and interested, that they could work together with many other people. Collaborative efforts developed between algebraic geometers and algebraists, number theorists, differential geometers, complex analysts, geometric analysts, even applied mathematicians. Algebraic geometers, at least the ones I know, also know at least something about algebra, algebraic topology, representation theory (not me), differential geometry, several complex variables and complex manifold theory, number theory, and some also are experts in logic. People with questions often showed up in the offices of algebraic geometers to have them answered, even if sometimes they closed the doors first to conceal that they were asking.

I once had a colleague in functional analysis come to me excited about his recent results on something he apologetically said was some abstruse concept called "Fredholm operators". I was puzzled that he thought I would not know what this was, as it was very familiar to me, namely an operator on a Banach space with finite dimensional kernel and cokernel. As is well known, certainly to "all" algebraic geometers, these are basic examples of operators with a well defined concept of "index", namely the difference of the dimensions of those two subspaces, as well as the fact that this index is constant on connected components of the space of such operators. Basic theorems in algebraic geometry and global analysis, (Atiyah-Singer Index theorem), concern giving topological formulas for such indices, and the Riemann - Roch theorem is a classical precursor of these results. Indeed the famous topic of K-theory, developed by Grothendieck in connection with his generalized Riemann - Roch theorem, involves both Fredholm operators and the space B* of units of the Banach algebra B of all bounded operators on a separable complex Hilbert space; i.e. both those spaces, Fred and B*, are "classifying spaces" for K theory, (see K-theory, appendix, by Michael Atiyah). So algebraic geometers tend to know something about Banach algebras and Fredholm operators even if (some) functional analysts do not know what K theory is.

You probably know that Grothendieck, the most impactful algebraic geometer in a century, started out in functional analysis. Of course as noted just above, it is well known that in both subjects, one recovers a space from the algebra of functions on that space by taking the space of maximal ideals in that algebra, or more generally in scheme theory, prime ideals.

elementary exercises: there is a one-one correspondence between the maximal ideals of the ring of continuous functions on the closed interval [0,1] and the points of that interval.
there is a one-one correspondence between the maximal ideals of the polynomial ring C[X], and the space C, where C is the complex numbers.

less elementary: these correspondences hold also for continuous functions on compact hausdorff spaces, and polynomials on affine spaces C^n of any finite dimension. In both cases they are given by sending a point of the space to the maximal ideal of functions vanishing on that point.

In fact compactifications of a locally compact Hausfdorff space X correspond to constant - containing, point - separating, uniformly - closed, subalgebras of C(X).
(I hope I have this right, it has been over 50 years since I did the functional analysis exercises. I remember thinking it was fun to imagine which sub algebra compactifies an open disc as a closed disc, or as a sphere, or as projective 2-space.)

Remark: As to the influence of functional analysis on abstract algebraic geometry, Hilbert proved the algebraic geometry result above (Hilbert's nullstellensatz) in 1893, (Mathematische Annalen, 42 Band, 1 Heft, p.320), 20 years before the birth of Gelfand, who is often associated with its functional analysis counterpart.

In my case, before coming to algebraic geometry, I studied functional analysis, differential topology, algebraic topology, commutative algebra and (derived) functors, and several complex variables; none of it was wasted in the end. I wound up working in complex algebraic geometry, and am now trying to learn scheme theory, in retirement.

So , maybe today algebraic geometry is just seen as a very big tent, and lots of people shelter under it.

Speaking of a big tent, I was thinking one topic I knew nothing about was physics, and then remembered it depends what you consider as physics. I was once invited to deliver a series of lectures on Riemann surfaces to a conference of string theorists, who had decided that a Riemann surface should be considered an elementary particle! I also think of pde as foreign territory, but recall that the key result of Hodge theory, which I have studied (in the context of presenting Kodaira's proof of his "vanishing" theorem), is the representability of deRham cohomology classes on complex manifolds by "harmonic" forms, i.e. ones satisfying the Laplace equation. And the key ingredient of the theory of Jacobian varieties of complex curves is Riemann's theta function, a fundamental solution of the (several variable) heat equation. So the only basic one I have not consciously run across is the "wave equation".

By the way, if you think you don't like algebraic geometry, you might take a look at Semple and Roth, or Milkes Reid's Undergraduate algebraic geometry. I myself find my eyes glaze over when I peruse derived functor cohomology of sheaves, but am fascinated by exploring the structure of the 27 lilnes which lie on any smooth cubic surface in complex projective 3 space. I am even more magnetized by constructions like trying to see how those lines specialize when the cubic surface degenerates to three planes. I.e. If S is a smooth cubic surface and F is the union of three planes, consider the limit of the lines on S in the family F+tS as t-->0. Note that S meets each of the 3 lines where pairs of the planes of F meet, in 3 points. See if you can see why, as S approaches F, a line L of S must come to lie in one of the 3 planes of F, say ∏, and since the other two planes of F meet ∏ in two lines, M and N, the limit of L must join one of the three marked points of M to one of the three marked points of N. This gives all 27 limiting lines, 9 in each plane. For help, consult the book on lines on the cubic surface, by Beniamino Segre. I.e. to care about the modern formalization of algebraic geometry, it helps (me) to know some of the beautiful results that one wants to make precise and rigorous.

Here's another example: for a complete intersection curve C in P^3 of smooth surfaces S and T of degrees d and e, the canonical sheaf on C is O(de(d+e-4)), so 2g-2 = de(d+e-4), where g = genus(C). Hence if d = e = 2, we get 2g-2 = 0, hence C is a genus one curve, i.e. a torus. This result is found in Hartshorne, p. 352, i.e. after hundreds of pages of dense theory.

Now consider this 19th century quick calculation: degenerate one quadric surface to 2 planes, which thus meet the other quadric surface in 2 plane conics, both of genus zero (we assume this for the moment), and the two conics meet each other in two points (where the common line of the two planes meets the quadric surface). Since each conic is topologically a sphere, the union of two spheres with two common points is obviously the result of degenerating a torus by pinching two circles. So before degeneration we had a torus, i.e. a curve of genus one. To see why a plane conic has genus zero, project it from a point of the conic bijectively onto the (projective) x axis.

It is of course important to know why these calculations are rigorously correct, but it is also bad form to deprive students of powerful computational tools that were known and available well before the advent of rigorous methods.
 
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I just ordered Cosmology for the Curious by Vilenkin; this year I'll be covering some cosmology with my (pre-university) high school students.
 
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In between feeding and satisfying a baby I started with the book, and it's actually really nice. It has some nice historical notes, and also covers more advanced topics in a very clear and conceptual way. The conceptual explanation e.g. of the BGV-theorem, by on of the authors, is very nice. I also like that every now and then they don't mind making some more philosophical or even religious remarks (e.g. the role of BGV in discussions with William Laine Craig).

Excellent book, and for just 32 euro (hard cover) highly recommended for everyone with an interest in cosmology.
 
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J. Schwichtenberg, Teach Yourself Physics (2020)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3948763003/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's not so much a book on physics, as it is a book on how to learn physics, especially if your goal is not to pass exams but to get a deep understanding. It's full of psychological, strategical and other tips useful in the process of self-learning. And it's very entertaining.
 
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Demystifier said:
J. Schwichtenberg, Teach Yourself Physics (2020)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3948763003/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's not so much a book on physics, as it is a book on how to learn physics, especially if your goal is not to pass exams but to get a deep understanding. It's full of psychological, strategical and other tips useful in the process of self-learning. And it's very entertaining.

I just finished that and found it quite a good read. It also encouraged me to pick up Feynman's Lectures on Physics - I just started Volume I. I always found Feynman to be a fascinating mind and excellent teacher. If my physics teachers were even half as good as he (and many others like Hawking, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Kip Thorne, etc.) was I might be a physicist today. I like teachers that encourage and drive curiosity in those they teach, not just giving them a book and a pencil and say "start memorizing theorems and equations." Feynman himself was not a fan of rote memorization and actively discouraged its practice. Swichtenberg writes good stuff. I also have No Nonsense Classical Mechanics which I am reading more to try to understand some of the math involved. My calculus skills are pretty rusty now.
 
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Neither Physics nor math are about rote learning at all. To reach or even top Feynman as a teacher is impossible though. I think that of all famous physicists only Sommerfeld was an even better physics teacher.
 
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Demystifier said:
J. Schwichtenberg, Teach Yourself Physics (2020)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/3948763003/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's not so much a book on physics, as it is a book on how to learn physics, especially if your goal is not to pass exams but to get a deep understanding. It's full of psychological, strategical and other tips useful in the process of self-learning. And it's very entertaining.
Is it also useful for physics teachers? I wrote a short manual for my students how to "learn/do" physics and am interested in this question.
 
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I just bought Luke Barnes' book on finetuning,"a fortunate universe". Maybe he can convince me :P
 
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haushofer said:
Is it also useful for physics teachers? I wrote a short manual for my students how to "learn/do" physics and am interested in this question.
It's not written for teachers, but I think that teachers who can read between the lines can find a lot of ways to improve their teaching.
 
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Demystifier said:
It's not written for teachers, but I think that teachers who can read between the lines can find a lot of ways to improve their teaching.

I would agree with this assessment. I think it is really geared to teaching you how to think and approach learning what can be a daunting subject. The goal, IMHO, is to encourage an admiration of the science of physics and the desire to want to learn. As Schwichtenberg writes (paraphrasing slightly), "my goal is not to teach you physics, my goal is to teach you what I wished I knew years ago, so you will want to learn physics." It certainly helped rekindle my fascination with physics and math, and encouraged me to pick up Feynman's QED and now Lectures on Physics.
 
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I think the symmetry approach to physics is very motivating for students. I learned about it reading some theory textbook already at high school, but it was a pretty tough way to understand it, because you lack the necessary math, particularly the calculus of variations and some elements of group theory. I think, it's a great challenge to work out the beauty of the subject given the limited math high schools nowadays provide.
 
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I was reading Shankar Quantum Mechanics but I had to take it back to the library.
 
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Demystifier said:
It's not written for teachers, but I think that teachers who can read between the lines can find a lot of ways to improve their teaching.
Could you give some examples?
 
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haushofer said:
Could you give some examples?
"I remember asking my teachers several times, especially in
mathematics, why we were taught certain topics. “What can
we do with this? Why is this important?” I didn’t get satis-
factory answers and was rewarded with bad oral grades."

"During the lectures, the professors repeatedly fill the black-
boards with formulas by copying the handwritten notes
they prepared in advance. The students, in turn, are busy
writing down each boardful before it gets erased to make
room for even more equations. At the beginning of a course
the professors usually claim that they’re happy to answer
any question the students may have. But if a student then
really asks a question, the professors’ rushed answer clearly
signals that this is not quite true. Each question is treated
like a disturbance since it takes time from their primary
goal: to copy all of their notes onto the blackboard before
the semester is over. Thus, the only questions that get asked
after the first lecture are about minor points of clarifications
like "Shouldn’t that be a plus sign?" or "Is that a two in the
denominator?""
 
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Demystifier said:
"I remember asking my teachers several times, especially in
mathematics, why we were taught certain topics. “What can
we do with this? Why is this important?” I didn’t get satis-
factory answers and was rewarded with bad oral grades."

"During the lectures, the professors repeatedly fill the black-
boards with formulas by copying the handwritten notes
they prepared in advance. The students, in turn, are busy
writing down each boardful before it gets erased to make
room for even more equations. At the beginning of a course
the professors usually claim that they’re happy to answer
any question the students may have. But if a student then
really asks a question, the professors’ rushed answer clearly
signals that this is not quite true. Each question is treated
like a disturbance since it takes time from their primary
goal: to copy all of their notes onto the blackboard before
the semester is over. Thus, the only questions that get asked
after the first lecture are about minor points of clarifications
like "Shouldn’t that be a plus sign?" or "Is that a two in the
denominator?""
Yes, that's a shame. Actually, I try to incorporate more of Feynman's curiosity and way of learning new stuff into my own lectures, but I too encounter a program which is crammed.
 
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