What breaks time reversal symmetry in ferromagnets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time reversal symmetry in ferromagnets, particularly focusing on whether there are Hamiltonian terms that can break this symmetry and the implications of spontaneous symmetry breaking in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the existence of Hamiltonian terms in solids that can break time reversal symmetry in ferromagnets.
  • Another participant states that in spontaneous symmetry breaking, there is typically no term that explicitly breaks the symmetry in the Hamiltonian.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between time reversal symmetry and ground states in ferromagnets, suggesting that time reversal symmetry seems to commute with the Hamiltonian.
  • It is noted that while time reversal commutes with the Hamiltonian, the ground states are not symmetric under time reversal, which is characteristic of spontaneous symmetry breaking.
  • One participant elaborates that spontaneously broken symmetries cannot be represented as operators in a Hilbert space, as matrix elements between different ground states vanish.
  • A request for an example of the concept of spontaneously broken symmetry is made by a participant who expresses confusion over the explanation provided.
  • Another participant explains that different ground states belong to different superselection sectors, indicating that transitions between these states are not possible in the thermodynamic limit, using the Ising model as an example.
  • It is mentioned that antiferromagnets (AFs) break time reversal symmetry by flipping spins on each site, while also breaking translation symmetry, although the combination of translation and time reversal is preserved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of time reversal symmetry and spontaneous symmetry breaking, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of these concepts in the context of ferromagnets.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific Hamiltonian terms that may relate to time reversal symmetry breaking and the nature of ground states in ferromagnets, as well as the implications of superselection sectors.

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I am told that in ferromagnets, time reversal symmetry is broken. However, I don't know any hamiltonian terms in solid that can break time reversal symmetry. So is there a hamiltonian term I don't know or is there any subtlety in ferromagnets?
 
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In spontaneous symmetry breaking, there is never a term which explicitly breaks the symmetry in the Hamiltonian
 
OK, I finally learned spontaneous symmetry breaking. However, I am stilled confused. Supposing two local minimum in ferromagnets, time reversal symmetry will transform one into another, both of which are ground states of the Hamiltonian. Thus, it seems that ##T## is actually commutable with ##H##. Then what does time reversal symmetry breaking mean here?
 
T commutes with H, but the ground state is not symmetric under T. That's the general situation in spontaneous symmetry breaking. Likewise, rotational symmetry is also spontaneously broken in a ferromagnet. While the hamiltonian is symmetric under rotations, each of the ground states which are intertransformed under rotations shows a preferred orientation of the spin directions.
 
In fact, the spontaneously broken symmetries cannot be represented as operators in a Hilbert space, as all matrix elements involving two different ground states vanish. That's the formal definition of a spontaneously broken symmetry.
 
DrDu said:
In fact, the spontaneously broken symmetries cannot be represented as operators in a Hilbert space, as all matrix elements involving two different ground states vanish. That's the formal definition of a spontaneously broken symmetry.
I don't understand this. Can you show me an example?
 
The different grounds states belong to what are called different superselection sectors. It means that you basically can't get from one to the other in the thermodynamic limit. If you think of the Ising model, the ordered spin up state and ordered spin down states are degenerate without a magnetic field. However, you cannot get between the two ordered states through spin flips in a finite time in an infinite system.

By the way, the reason that AFs break time reversal is that time reversal flips the spins on each site. AFs also break translation (double the unit cell) but the combination of translation and TR is preserved.
 

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