Why is it said that magnetism breaks time reversal symmetry?

In summary, the Maxwell equations possess time reversal symmetry, meaning that they are still satisfied when certain parameters are reversed. However, it has been claimed in various sources that magnetism can break this symmetry, as seen in phenomena such as ferromagnetism and topological insulators. This does not mean that the Maxwell equations themselves lack time reversal symmetry, but rather that the solutions to these equations may not possess the same symmetries as the equations themselves. This phenomenon is known as spontaneous symmetry breaking and can be observed in practical devices such as microwave circulators.
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It is known that Maxwell equations have the time reversal symmetry. I.e. by changing t by -t, J by -J (which can be understood as the charges going in the opposite direction when time is reversed, which makes sense), E to E and B to -B, the equations are still satisfied.

However, it is also claimed in several places (condensed matter when dealing with ferromagnetism or topological insulators when dealing with magnetic materials, just to name a few.) that magnetism breaks the time reversal symmetry.

How is that even possible? Wouldn't that imply that Maxwell equations lack the T-symmetry? If not, what's going on?
 
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it is also claimed in several places (condensed matter when dealing with ferromagnetism or topological insulators when dealing with magnetic materials, just to name a few.)
Can you link to a specific citation?
 
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Wouldn't that imply that Maxwell equations lack the T-symmetry?

No, they just show that the solutions of an equation (which, btw, is probably not Maxwell's Equations in the examples you cite, since they are talking about quantum phenomena, not classical electromagnetism) do not have to have the same symmetries as the equation itself does. The latter two references talk about spontaneous symmetry breaking, which is the term commonly used for this phenomenon.

A simple example of the phenomenon would be a pencil balanced on its point. The equations describing what happens to the pencil if it tips over are rotationally symmetric; but once the pencil tips over, it will fall in one particular direction, not all of them at once. So the single solution that describes what the pencil actually does is not rotationally symmetric, even though the underlying equations are. The papers you reference are talking about cases where phenomena involving magnetism have the same property: the individual solutions that get realized in experiments do not have time reversal symmetry, even though the underlying equations do.
 
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A nice practical example of this is the microwave circulator which is extremely common in microwave systems. It is basically a three-port device which consists of a PCB with microwave transmission lines with a ferrite "puck" glued on top of it. The ferrite gives the circuit directionallity which means that nearly all (about 98-99%) of the signal will only travel in one direction.
If you terminate the third port with a matched load you get an isolator; which is a component will passes signals in one direction but isolated in the other.

And yes. if you read microwave engineering books about this they do say that the ferrite breaks time reversal symmetry.
 

1. What is time reversal symmetry?

Time reversal symmetry is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the laws of physics are the same regardless of whether time is moving forward or backward. In other words, the physical processes that occur in a system should look the same if time is reversed.

2. How does magnetism break time reversal symmetry?

Magnetism breaks time reversal symmetry because the behavior of magnetic materials is not the same when time is reversed. For example, if you observe the motion of charged particles in a magnetic field, reversing the direction of time would cause the particles to move differently. This means that the laws of physics governing magnetism are not symmetrical under time reversal.

3. Why is it important to understand time reversal symmetry in relation to magnetism?

Understanding the relationship between magnetism and time reversal symmetry is important because it helps us better understand the fundamental laws of physics and how they are interconnected. It also has practical applications in fields such as materials science and electronics.

4. Can time reversal symmetry be broken in other ways besides magnetism?

Yes, time reversal symmetry can be broken in other ways besides magnetism. For example, certain subatomic particles called K and B mesons violate time reversal symmetry in their decay processes. This phenomenon is known as CP violation and is an active area of research in particle physics.

5. Is time reversal symmetry always broken in the presence of magnetism?

No, time reversal symmetry is not always broken in the presence of magnetism. There are certain types of magnetic materials, such as antiferromagnets, that exhibit time reversal symmetry. Additionally, the effects of magnetism on time reversal symmetry can be very small and only observable under certain conditions.

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