What Causes the Rod to Rotate?

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of a vertical rod rotating about its longitudinal axis at a constant angular velocity (Ω) while allowing a disk to roll on it without slipping. The participants analyze the angular velocities and linear velocities of various points on the rod and disk system, employing vector cross products to derive the relationships. Key equations used include v = Ω x r and a = Ω x (Ω x r). The conversation emphasizes the importance of defining a proper coordinate frame for accurate calculations.

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Homework Statement


A vertical rod is rotating about its longitudinal axis at a constant angular velocity Ω. It is allowed to swing freely from the endpoint A. The angle between the rod and the longitudinal axis of the system is denoted by θ. Point A is located on the highest endpoint of the rod, point B on the lowest.
On top of the rod there is a disk that is rolling over the rod. The disk cannot fall from the rod or slip at any time. The disk is rotating with an angular velocity of ωrel and velocity vrel.
The whole system (rod, disk, etc) is moving with a velocity of V.
I added the problem statement and a figure showing the dynamics and relations relevant for the system.

Homework Equations


v=Ωxr
a=Ωx(Ωxr)

The Attempt at a Solution


I put a reference frame in the rotating frame with the axis: nhat in the rotating direction, lhat that talways in the direction where the rod is rotating and mhat orthogonal to both nhat and lhat.

a.)
Ωrot = Ω nhat
va = Ωrot x rahat = Ω nhat
vb = Ωrot x rbhat = -Ω Lcos(θ) lhat
vab = Ω(1,-Ω Lcos(θ) lhat,0) + vsystem

b.)
vc = Ωrot x rchat = -L/2 Ω cos(θ) lhat + vsystem
ac = Ωrot x(Ωrot x rchat) = -L/2 Ω2 cos(θ) nhat

Does what I did make any sense or am I completely off?
Thank you for your time
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physics_rino said:
I added the problem statement and a figure showing the dynamics and relations relevant for the system.
Did you forget to add these? I don't see them.
 
Oh sorry. It didn't upload them. I'll get on the computer and upload them right away. Thanks for noticing
 
physics_rino said:
A vertical rod is rotating about its longitudinal axis at a constant angular velocity Ω. It is allowed to swing
Good job you uploaded the original text too. I would never have understood from your rewording that "it" is a different rod.
physics_rino said:
Ωrot = Ω nhat
Ok so far, but then you lost me. You seem to have started calculating some linear velocities. Part a only wants the angular velocity of rod AB.
First, define your coordinate frame. I get that ##\hat n## is upwards.
What other contribution is there to AB's angular velocity?
 

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