What causes wave diffraction and how does it impact wave behavior?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of wave diffraction, particularly in relation to the size of apertures compared to the wavelength of waves. Participants explore how diffraction occurs when waves encounter slits or obstacles and the implications of different aperture sizes on wave behavior.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that diffraction occurs when the aperture size is comparable to the wavelength, leading to observable effects, while larger apertures result in minimal diffraction.
  • One participant describes how diffraction is a result of truncating wavefronts and notes that even large apertures cause slight diffraction.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the spatial extent of wavefronts versus wavelength, with some arguing that the shape of the wavefront is more critical in determining diffraction effects.
  • Participants explore the relationship between the length of the wavefront and the number of spatial frequency components formed as waves pass through an aperture, suggesting that smaller apertures lead to greater diffraction.
  • One participant questions the physical feasibility of certain diagrams representing wave behavior, indicating that a planar wavefront must be infinite in extent to avoid diffraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between wavelength, aperture size, and diffraction effects. While there are some shared understandings, multiple competing perspectives remain, particularly regarding the implications of wavefront shape and the conditions under which diffraction occurs.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made by participants depend on specific assumptions about wave behavior and the definitions of terms like wavelength and wavefront. There are unresolved questions regarding the physical representation of wave diagrams and the implications of spatial frequency components.

Andyblues
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Heya! I'm new in the forum, and here is my first entry.

I don't really understand the diagram for wave difraction. Let me try to draw it...

| | | | | The space between the four three lines is suppose to be the wavelength.
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| | | | | The last line is suppose to be a single slit.
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| | | | | In my textbook it says something like the space of the slit must be
| | | | comparable to the wavelength...
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| | | | So, if the wavelengt is smaller than the slit, the wave will pass through
| | | | | the with no change.
| | | | |
| | | | | And if the wavelenth is comparable to the space, then it will be
| | | | | diffracted...
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In the case of my fantastic diagram, its clear that it will be diffracted, and the wave will form sort of circle forms when passing through the slit.

But if the diagram is the following...

| The wave will pass with absolute freedom... is it right?
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| Then, my question is... wasn't the wavelength the space between each
| line?? If so... what does it have to do with the length of the same lines?

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I hope my question is clear enough!

Thanks!

Andrés.
 
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You always get diffraction around the edges of the slit. If the slit is wide, the effects are noticeable only near the edges of the "shadow" cast by the slit. If the slit is narrow (for the same wavelength), the two regions of "edge diffraction" merge and become the dominant effect.

Here's a sketch that shows the brightness pattern on the screen for different slit widths, for the same wavelength (approximately!).
 

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Diffraction (what we might define as the bending of wavefronts) occurs when we truncate (cut-off) the wavefront by means of an aperture or obstacle. Even for apertures that are very large compared to the wavelength the wave is still diffracted albeit very slightly. As the aperture gets smaller, diffraction effects get larger (i.e. the wavefronts get bent more).

When the aperture size is equal to roughly half the wavelength, you hit an interesting point where the wave diffracts as much as it possibly can - in other words the wavefronts are nearly circular. Decreasing the aperture size beyond this point does not cause the wavefronts to bend further.

With regard to your questions...

- The wave will not be diffracted provided there are no obstacles present to truncate the wavefront.
- The wavelength remains the same at all times.
- What the length of the wavefront has to do with things is a VERY tricky question, you would need some grasp of Fourier theory to understand its significance.
- Essentially, the "length" of the wavefront as it moves through an aperture determines how many spatial frequency components are formed as the wave passes through the aperture.
-The smaller the aperture, the greater the number of spatial frequencies.
- Having more spatial frequency components causes the wave to diffract more!

Claude.
 
Hi, thanks guys .

I'm sorry I didn't ask my question properly! Let me try again with a more pro diagram.

In case A, you can see that the space between the edges of the slit is larger thant the lenth of the lines of the wave. Then, the wave pass through the slit "free".

In case B, the space is smaller (in comparision to the length of the wave).

My question was... if the refracction depends in the wavelength (lambda), and it is equal in both cases (you can see that lambda and lambda prime are almost equal), the difference then must be in the length of the lines of the wave in the diagram... but what does this length represent in "real" life? because I can't see any diference in the wavelength, and its suppose to be the main reason of diffraction!

And... how can be always diffraction?! How is it possible?

Thanks a lot!

Andrés.
 
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The length of your lines would correspond to the spatial extent of the wavefront, not the wavelength. And what your drew is, strictly speaking, physically impossible- a planar wavefront must be infinite in extent.

But, your diagram 'A' is close to how a spatial filter operates- a focused beam impinges on a pinhole, with the diameter of the pinhole close to the diameter of the spot size. What emerges is a near perfect spherical wavefront, which can then be transformed into a cleanly collimated beam.
 
Andyblues said:
My question was... if the refracction depends in the wavelength (lambda), and it is equal in both cases (you can see that lambda and lambda prime are almost equal), the difference then must be in the length of the lines of the wave in the diagram... but what does this length represent in "real" life? because I can't see any diference in the wavelength, and its suppose to be the main reason of diffraction!
The spatial shape of the wavefront is critical in calculating diffraction effects, far more so than wavelength - wavelength simply gives you a reference scale.

As Andy Resnick said, diagram A is technically physically impossible since the wavefront must be infinite (or a very special type of beam) in order for no spreading/bending of the planar wavefronts to occur. A close approximation however is a standard Gaussian beam passing through a wide aperture at the beam waist. One would expect little, if any change to the wavefront due to the aperture.

Diagram B would then correspond to either a wider beam, (or a smaller aperture), in which case there would be significant change to the wavefront due to the aperture.

Claude.
 

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