What Defines the Maximum Frequency in Damped Driven Oscillations?

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The discussion revolves around the equation for maximum frequency in damped driven oscillations, specifically the expression (w_max)^2 = (w_0)^2 - (1/2)y^2. Participants seek clarification on the meaning of the variables involved and the derivation of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of (w_max) and requests the origin of the equation.
  • Another participant notes the lack of context for the formula, indicating confusion about the definitions of w_max, w_0, and y.
  • A third participant clarifies that w_0 represents the natural or resonance frequency of the system, while y is described as the damping constant divided by the mass of the oscillator.
  • Another participant states that the equation is commonly encountered in discussions of damped driven oscillations and suggests it relates to the maximum amplitude of the system.
  • One participant asserts that w_max is the exact resonance frequency and distinguishes it from w_0, which they refer to as the classical resonance frequency without damping.
  • A later reply mentions that the expression can be derived from the second-order ordinary differential equation for a damped, driven oscillator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of the variables or the derivation of the equation, indicating multiple competing views and ongoing uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

There are missing assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables and the context in which the equation is applied. The derivation process is not detailed, leaving some mathematical steps unresolved.

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I am looking at forced vibrations and I have come across this:

(w_max)^2 = (w_0)^2 - (1/2)y^2

Now I am not entirely sure of what the (w_max) is. ANd where does this equation come from? It was simply stated without a derivation.

THanks guys!:biggrin:
 
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There is simply a blank page with that formula on it?

Surely there is some sort of context. As you write it I not only do not know what w_max is, I also don't know what w_0 is or what y is!
 
W_O is the natural/resonance frequency for the system being driven by a force with frequency w.

y is the width, or the damping constant divided by the mass of the oscillator.

The equation comes up in resonance. I think it has to do with the maximum amplitude of the system ?
 
That expression comes up a lot in damped driven oscillations- not just masses and springs, but any sort of linear oscillator.

W_max is the exact resonance frequency, w_0 is the "classical resonance frequency" (i.e. the resonance without damping present).

This expression is strightforward to derive beginning with the 2nd order ODE for a damped, driven oscillator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_oscillator

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