What determines an organism's brain size and at what point is a brain necessary?

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The discussion centers on the criteria for defining when organisms possess a brain, highlighting the complexity of this concept. Participants suggest that fruit flies may represent a threshold for brain complexity, while smaller organisms like worms and starfish exhibit simpler neural structures without a central nervous system. The conversation emphasizes the need to define "brain" functionally, noting that some may consider nerve rings in organisms like C. elegans as a brain. The distinction between central nervous systems and distributed neural networks is also crucial, particularly for organisms like jellyfish and starfish. Additionally, the importance of comparing brain size relative to body size is mentioned, indicating that the significance of brain size is context-dependent rather than absolute.
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At what point, or scale, do organisms/lifeforms/whatever have brains?
 
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Nah. Much smaller. I believe the parasite that lives in your eyelashes has a brain and it's practically invisible.

Edit: reference http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodex

(If this doesn't have you washing your face then you have nerves of steel.)
 
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First, define what you mean by brain. Some people call the nerve ring in c. elegans the brain, defining "brain" functionally.

With something like a starfish or a jellyfish, nearly everyone agrees that there is no central nervous system; they have a distributed "neural net".

On the other side of the nerve bundles in worms, we have insects with appendages that generally require a clear CNS of some sort to integrate sensory signals and motor skills (ants and flies).

Second, define what you mean by small. The general scientific consensus is that we should compare brain size to body size and the ratio is what's significant (so a small brain is defined relative to the body it's in) whereas you may be thinking in absolute terms.
 
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