What determines the charge of a field?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of charge in fields, particularly in the context of gauge theories and the coupling of fields to electromagnetic interactions. Participants explore the relationship between local phase symmetry, coupling constants, and conserved currents in theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the charge of a particle is linked to the local phase symmetry of the field, raising questions about why fields couple with only one charge current.
  • Another participant states that the charge is determined by the coupling constant in the Lagrangian, but clarifies that this constant is not the parameter in the gauge transformation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the local phase symmetry and the coupling constant, specifically regarding the role of the parameter in the transformation.
  • One participant confirms that the introduction of the coupling constant occurs through the principle of minimal substitution to transition from global to local symmetry.
  • Another participant reiterates the previous point about the coupling constant and seeks clarification on whether the transformation parameter is the coupling constant.
  • A later reply confirms that the transformation parameter does not end up being the coupling constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the role of the coupling constant in the context of gauge theories, but there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the relationship between the transformation parameters and the coupling constants. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about gauge transformations and the specifics of coupling constants, which are not fully resolved.

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I understand what we classically know as the charge of a particle is actually the parameter of the local phase symmetry of the field the particle belongs to, the Noether current of which permits its coupling to the electromagnetic field. But when a field has phase symmetry it is symmetric under any phase transformation ψ → ψe, not just the one with a specific α as parameter.

So why is it that fields just couple with the current corresponding to one charge? Would it be possible for the Dirac field to couple to the electromagnetic field or to the scalar field with a coupling constant other than e?
 
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The charge is given by the coupling constant in the Lagrangian. It appears in the local gauge transformation at some place too, but it's not the parameter in the gauge transformation that determines the coupling constant.
 
vanhees71 said:
The charge is given by the coupling constant in the Lagrangian. It appears in the local gauge transformation at some place too, but it's not the parameter in the gauge transformation that determines the coupling constant.

Then there's some detail I misunderstood. To me the local phase symmetry ψ → ψeiq gives rise to a conserved current eψ*γ0γμ ψ, and when we use that current to couple the Dirac field to the EM field the parameter e plays the role of coupling constant. Did I get that wrong?
 
No, it's all right. You introduce the coupling constant in the principle of minimal substitution ##\partial_{\mu} \rightarrow \partial_{\mu} + i g A_{\mu}^a T^a## to make the so far only global symmetry local.
 
vanhees71 said:
No, it's all right. You introduce the coupling constant in the principle of minimal substitution ##\partial_{\mu} \rightarrow \partial_{\mu} + i g A_{\mu}^a T^a## to make the so far only global symmetry local.

Ok, so the parameter of the transformation doesn't end up bein the coupling constant then?
 

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