What Determines the Gradient of ln(ax) for Different Values of a?

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The discussion centers on the differentiation of the function y = ln(ax) for various positive values of a, exploring the implications of the derivative and the visual representation of the curves for different a values.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant demonstrates that the derivative of y = ln(ax) is \frac{1}{x}, noting that ln(a) is a constant and does not affect the derivative.
  • Another participant points out that while the curves for different values of a are distinct, they are merely shifted vertically due to the constant ln(a), which does not influence the derivative.
  • A later reply confirms the understanding that the curves are indeed shifted by ln(a).
  • One participant corrects the phrasing regarding the derivative, indicating that dy/dx is already the derivative of y with respect to x.

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Participants generally agree on the nature of the curves being shifted and the implications for the derivative, but there is an initial misunderstanding that prompts clarification. The discussion remains focused on the conceptual understanding rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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The discussion does not resolve the implications of the derivative in practical applications or how the shifting affects interpretations in different contexts.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in calculus, particularly in understanding the properties of logarithmic functions and their derivatives.

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It's easy to show that \frac{dy}{dx} of y = ln(ax) where a \in ℝ, a > 0 is always \frac{1}{x} :

y = ln(ax)
y = ln(a) + ln(x)

ln(a) is constant so its derivative is 0, and the derivative of ln(x) is \frac{1}{x}.
Hence:

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x}

Attached is an image of y=ln(ax) with a = 1,2,3,4,5. It also shows all of their derivatives to be the same (the curve at the top). But they are clearly different curves! There must be some point at which one has a larger gradient than the others?? What am I missing?
 

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JizzaDaMan said:
But they are clearly different curves! There must be some point at which one has a larger gradient than the others?? What am I missing?
The curves are just shifted upwards/downwards with respect to each other. This is not easy to see in the graph (as their non-vertical "distance" is not constant), but it is right. And constant offsets do not show up in the derivative.
 
oh of course! :D I feel a bit stupid now :P I guess they're shifted up by ln(a) right?
 
That's right.
 
Also, you don't "take dy/dx" of some function. dy/dx already represents the derivative of y with respect to x.
 

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