What did I do Wrong with this integration by u-sub

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫x^2(a^2-x^2)^(0.5) from 0 to a, focusing on the application of u-substitution and trigonometric identities in the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric identities and substitution methods, questioning the limits of integration and the application of the double angle formula. There are attempts to clarify the transformation of variables and the implications of changing limits during substitution.

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Some participants have provided suggestions for rewriting the integral using trigonometric identities, while others have pointed out the importance of adjusting limits after substitution. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the application of these methods, and one participant has indicated they reached a solution independently.

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There is mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the limits of integration after substitution, as well as varying approaches to simplifying the integral. The original poster's work is referenced, but specific details are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



∫x^2(a^2-x^2)^.5 limits from 0 to a

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∫x^2(a^2-x^2)^.5 limits from 0 to a

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It's way to much for me to type in the short amount of time I have so I included a picture of my work. It's neat and easy to read.

the answer should be (PI/16)*a^4
 

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To tell you the truth, I didn't read the whole thing. But I suggest where you have$$
a^4\int_0^a \sin^2\theta \cos^2\theta~d\theta$$you write that as$$
a^4\int_0^a \left(\frac {\sin(2\theta}{2}\right )^2~d\theta$$and immediately use the double angle formula for the ##\sin^2(2\theta)##. It will be much easier.
 
LCKurtz said:
To tell you the truth, I didn't read the whole thing. But I suggest where you have$$
a^4\int_0^a \sin^2\theta \cos^2\theta~d\theta$$you write that as$$
a^4\int_0^a \left(\frac {\sin(2\theta}{2}\right )^2~d\theta$$and immediately use the double angle formula for the ##\sin^2(2\theta)##. It will be much easier.

Which Identity did you use to get that?
 
##\sin(2\theta)=2\sin\theta\cos\theta##
 
You did not change the limits when you did the substitution.

$$a^4\int_0^{\pi/2}\sin^2\theta \cos^2\theta\,d\theta=\frac{a^4}{4}\int_0^{\pi/2} \sin^2(2\theta)\,d\theta$$
 
Pranav-Arora said:
You did not change the limits when you did the substitution.

$$a^4\int_0^{\pi/2}\sin^2\theta \cos^2\theta\,d\theta=\frac{a^4}{4}\int_0^{\pi/2} \sin^2(2\theta)\,d\theta$$

Why does my a become PI/2?
 
shreddinglicks said:
Why does my a become PI/2?

##x=\sin\theta##, at ##x=a##, ##a=a\sin\theta \Rightarrow \theta=\pi/2##.
 
LCKurtz said:
##\sin(2\theta)=2\sin\theta\cos\theta##

I understand that. The problem is when I apply it, it just gives me my original integral.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
##x=\sin\theta##, at ##x=a##, ##a=a\sin\theta \Rightarrow \theta=\pi/2##.

I don't see how that matters. a/a = 1 and the arcsin(1) = PI/2

It's the same.
 
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I know it's a lot to read but can someone please look over my entire work? I am very close to the answer except for the numerator.
 
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LCKurtz said:
##\sin(2\theta)=2\sin\theta\cos\theta##

LCKurtz said:
To tell you the truth, I didn't read the whole thing. But I suggest where you have$$
a^4\int_0^a \sin^2\theta \cos^2\theta~d\theta$$you write that as$$
a^4\int_0^a \left(\frac {\sin(2\theta}{2}\right )^2~d\theta$$and immediately use the double angle formula for the ##\sin^2(2\theta)##. It will be much easier.

shreddinglicks said:
I understand that. The problem is when I apply it, it just gives me my original integral.

Apparently you don't understand it. Use$$
\sin^2(2\theta) = \frac {1-\cos(4\theta)}2$$And, as another poster has noticed and I missed, the upper limit for ##\theta## should be ##\frac \pi 2##.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Apparently you don't understand it. Use$$
\sin^2(2\theta) = \frac {1-\cos(4\theta)}2$$And, as another poster has noticed and I missed, the upper limit for ##\theta## should be ##\frac \pi 2##.

So, are you going to try it? It's only one simple step left to integrate to the correct answer.
 
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I did get the answer. I went to sleep last night, where I'm located it was past midnight. I solved it this morning.

I didn't quite do it the way you guys have suggested.
 

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shreddinglicks said:
I did get the answer. I went to sleep last night, where I'm located it was past midnight. I solved it this morning.

I didn't quite do it the way you guys have suggested.

You should try it. Much simpler and you might learn something useful.
 

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