What do the variables in the Atwood's Machine equation signify?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the variables in the Atwood's Machine equation, particularly focusing on the meaning of the force F in the context of the equation a = [(M-m)g]/(M+m). Participants are exploring the implications of Newton's second law as it applies to this system of two masses connected by a pulley.

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  • The original poster seeks clarification on the variable F and its role in the equation, questioning the inclusion of a = F/(M+m). Other participants discuss the use of free-body diagrams (FBD) to analyze the forces acting on the masses and derive the equations of motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, with some providing detailed explanations and others expressing gratitude for the assistance. There is a focus on understanding the underlying principles rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Some participants mention the assumption of an ideal pulley and the need to master the concept of free-body diagrams as part of the analysis. The original poster has a lab report due soon, which adds urgency to their inquiries.

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I'd really like for someone to explain the last bit of the equation used in the Atwood's Machine experiment. [Forget this gray part]Specifically, I don't understand what F means in F = Mg - mg = (M - m)g, and would appreciate that being defined. Secondly, I don't understand why a = F/(M+m) is even part of the equation. I have a lab report due Monday and need help understanding this firstly.

The "master" equation in question, BTW, being a = [(M-m)g]/(M+m).
 
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Although correct, using the concept of F = (M-m)g is a very unorthodox way to explain acceleration in a simple Atwood machine, so I am compelled to explain I hope more clearly.
To solve for the acceleration of each mass, you must first realize that the masses M and m will have the same magnitude of acceleration, since they are connected together by a cord and must therefore move and accelerate ,"a", at the same rate (the heavy one accelerates and moves down, while the lighter one accelerates and moves up). You must also realize that the pulley is assumed massless and frictionless, a so called ideal pulley, in which case the tension in the cord on each side of the pulley, acting up on each mass, is the same, "T".
Now we employ the use of Free Body Diagrams, often abbreviated as FBD, one of the most powerful tools in Intro Physics Mechanics (Statics and Dynamics). The FBD concept should be mastered. In a FBD, each part of the system is 'isolated', and the forces acting on that isolated part, known and unknown, are identified and shown in a sketch, and then Newton's laws are applied.

For this problem, first isolate the large mass, M, in a FBD. Its weight, Mg, acts down, and the tension force in the cord, T, acts up. The net force acting on the mass M is thus Mg - T, acting down, in the direction of its acceleration. We now write Newton's 2nd law
F_net = Ma, or
Mg - T = Ma (equation 1)

Now isolate the lighter mass, m, and draw the FBD: its weight, mg acts down, and the tension force in the cord, T, acts up. The net force acting on mass m is thus T - mg, acting up, in the direction of its acceleration. again using Newton 2,
F_net = ma, or
T - mg = ma (equation 2)

You now have 2 simultaneous equations with 2 unknowns, T and a. You should be able to solve these now by adding the 2 equations together, which eliminates T, and yields the result Mg - mg = Ma + ma, or
(M - m)g = (M + m)a, from which
a = (M - m)g/(M + m)

Do not memorize this equation. Instead, master the art of drawing good FBD's! I seldom get into this detail when responding, but it is imperative to understand this concept.

And we welcome you to PF!
 
Welcome to PF;
Atwood's machine is basically two masses over a pulley.
The F comes from Newton's second law of motion ... since M>m there is a net unbalanced force (given symbol F) and the masses accelerate. You get the exact equation by drawing free-body diagrams.
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate the help. Also when stating Newton's Second Law I want to know what it means by a is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass in,

"The acceleration of an object as produced by a net force is directly proportional to the magnitude of the net force, in the same direction as the net force, and inversely proportional to the mass of the object."

Does that mean a = F_net and a = 1/m?

^ nevermind I figured this out. I forgot what proportional meant for some reason :P

Thanks again.
 
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No, it means that a = F_net/m. If the net force increases, the acceleration increases, but if the mass increases, the acceleration decreases.
 
No worries.
 

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