What does a spin 1/2 wave function actually look like

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of a spin 1/2 wave function, particularly how the state vector |ψ> = a|α> + b|β> can be expressed in a continuous basis. Participants explore the relationship between spin states and spatial wavefunctions, as well as the implications for non-relativistic and relativistic quantum theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the wavefunction for a spin 1/2 particle is typically expressed in the basis set |α> |β> and seeks to understand its representation in a continuous basis.
  • Another participant clarifies that the expression provided is a state vector, not a wave function, and describes the wave function in terms of a spinor field with multiple components.
  • A participant expresses confusion about representing the state vector in a continuous basis and questions whether this is fundamentally misunderstood.
  • It is pointed out that the state vector represents only the spin part of the complete state vector, which exists in a 2-dimensional Hilbert space, contrasting it with the infinite-dimensional space of spatial wavefunctions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the treatment of the spin part independently from the spatial wavefunction is valid for non-relativistic quantum theory, while noting complications in relativistic quantum field theory.
  • Another participant expresses a desire for guidance on a specific problem related to a paper, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the material.
  • A later reply suggests that the paper considers spin as a classical 3D vector and describes specific conditions under which the states |α> and |β> are defined in terms of angular coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the nature of the spin state and its representation, but there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the transition to a continuous basis and the implications for different quantum theories. Multiple competing views are present, particularly regarding the treatment of spin in non-relativistic versus relativistic contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of the relationship between the spin state and the spatial wavefunction, as well as the complexities introduced in relativistic quantum field theory that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I have only ever seen the wavefunction for a spin 1/2 particle written in the basis set |α> |β>. I was interested in how a wavefunction |ψ> = a|α> + b|β> might be rewritten in a continuous basis and hence would need to know what the actual functions of |α> & |β> were.

Thanks
 
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This is a state vector, not a wave function. For a particle with spin, the wave function is given by
\psi_{\sigma}(t,\vec{x})=\langle \vec{x},\sigma|\psi(t) \rangle,
where I used the Schrödinger picture of time evolution. \sigma \in \{-s,-s+1,\ldots,s-1,s \} is the eigenvalue of the spin-z component. The wave function of nonrelativistic quantum theory is thus a spinor field with (2s+1) components.
 
Ok thanks but I still want to represent the state vector |ψ>=a|α> + b|β> in a continuous basis. Is this possible or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something?

Thanks
 
Your state is only the spin part of the complete state vector. The corresponding Hilbert space is 2-dimensional, so all bases consist of two vectors and not of (uncountable) infinite many. The full quantum description of a spin-1/2 particle is the direct product of the spin part and the usual (spinless) spatial wavefunction.

The question is, why can we treat the spin part independently from the spatial wavefunction. The answer is that for purposes like the Stern Gerlach experiment, we can approximate the time evolution of the spatial wavefunction by a classical trajectory and use the quantum description only for the spin.
 
kith said:
Your state is only the spin part of the complete state vector. The corresponding Hilbert space is 2-dimensional, so all bases consist of two vectors and not of (uncountable) infinite many. The full quantum description of a spin-1/2 particle is the direct product of the spin part and the usual (spinless) spatial wavefunction.
It's important to keep in mind that this is true only for non-relativistic quantum theory. In relativistic QFT it's even difficult to make a unique split of total angular momentum into orbital and spin angular momentum!
 
OK thanks I think I must be misunderstanding the problem I am trying to solve.
If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be great.

The paper is http://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.2139v1.pdf

And my problem is how they go from 17 to 18

Thanks
 
jelathome said:
OK thanks I think I must be misunderstanding the problem I am trying to solve.
If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be great.

The paper is http://arxiv.org/pdf/1407.2139v1.pdf

And my problem is how they go from 17 to 18

Thanks
They consider spin as a classical 3D vector. If #you take the usual convention of the z axis defining ##|\alpha\rangle## and ##|\beta\rangle##, then ##|\alpha\rangle## corresponds to a function in ##(\theta,\phi)## that is zero everywhere except when ##\theta = 0## and ##\phi = 0##, and ##|\beta\rangle## is zero everywhere except when ##\theta = \pi/2## and ##\phi = 0##.
 

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